Drew Brees

Mardigras9 · 12-06-2016, 10:31 AM

The defense played well, minus a big play off an all out blitz.
The real reality is, Drew has to have perfect games for us to have any chance of winning, so an off day is a guaranteed loss.

leilung · 12-06-2016, 10:52 AM

Reality check: Can we expect more or less games like this out of Brees in the coming season? Would anyone be hesitant about seeing what we could get for Ingram if he dropped 3 turnovers in a single game (which could have been 4 if the fumble weren't recovered)?

No 'yeah but' excuses anymore. The team should be in rebuild mode starting with a QB that can be the franchise for the next 10 years and not waiting for another 2009 to happen again...'cause it ain't!

Love him, but for the good of the franchise, we have to move on!

halloween 65 · 12-06-2016, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Reality check: Can we expect more or less games like this out of Brees in the coming season? Would anyone be hesitant about seeing what we could get for Ingram if he dropped 3 turnovers in a single game (which could have been 4 if the fumble weren't recovered)?

No 'yeah but' excuses anymore. The team should be in rebuild mode starting with a QB that can be the franchise for the next 10 years and not waiting for another 2009 to happen again...'cause it ain't!

Love him, but for the good of the franchise, we have to move on!

At the end of the game stats were padded, I never count those. Meaningless. This entire team dropped the ball from the top to bottom, I was partiuarly got amused about the blitz that ended up as a Lions touchdown, kind of broke our backs but it reassured me of Allens calls and his D. There has been a few low score game that Brees hasn't looked good against the better D's this season but looked great othertimes. As far as rebuilding with another qb. I would have to agree, with the Saints FO and always trying patchwork D's with basically the same D coaches and staff I think we waisted our best run with Brees never having a D to speak of.

AllSaints · 12-06-2016, 11:17 AM

The offense never got into a rhythm.... Drew Brees was never comfortable in the pocket.... I noticed we called a lot of play in the bunch formation and the lions were kicking out butts when we spread the formation out we did better but ugh the screen plays were terrible....

AsylumGuido · 12-06-2016, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

Reality check: Can we expect more or less games like this out of Brees in the coming season? Would anyone be hesitant about seeing what we could get for Ingram if he dropped 3 turnovers in a single game (which could have been 4 if the fumble weren't recovered)?

No 'yeah but' excuses anymore. The team should be in rebuild mode starting with a QB that can be the franchise for the next 10 years and not waiting for another 2009 to happen again...'cause it ain't!

Love him, but for the good of the franchise, we have to move on!

It may take 15 years to find another QB that could be a franchise QB for ten years. I guess we could pick one off that magic QB tree.

frydaddy · 12-06-2016, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It may take 15 years to find another QB that could be a franchise QB for ten years. I guess we could pick one off that magic QB tree.

Have to agree here. People routinely talk about our next franchise QB, but can anyone say for sure where or when we might find him? By my count we've had 2 truly great QB's in our entire history, and they were separated by decades. Maybe we get lucky and find that next guy sooner than later, but in the meantime I think you ride your future HOF QB until he can't go anymore.

burningmetal · 12-06-2016, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

While I agree with you that Payton definitely should not have challenged the Cooks' play, I have to disagree with you on a few of points. The play was reviewable. I know the announcer said it wasn't, but it was. Also, if it was not reviewable the refs definitely would not have accepted the review. And finally, Cooks was clearly down. Yes, he was pulled down upon the defender's body and rolled over and off, but before gaining his feet his forearm clearly hit the turf. That is down by contact.

But, with first and goal inside the one, Payton should never have taken the chance.

They ruled him down on the play and blew the whistle. The only way it would have been reviewable is if there were a fumble, in which case you can review for a change of possession, but you can't allow advancement of the ball after the whistle. This was a challenge to review whether or not he was down, which is not reviewable because you can't reverse the call after you blew the whistle and everyone stopped playing.

I think the ref either blew it by not remembering that (refs DO screw up the rules from time to time, not just the calls) or he justified it in his own head by telling himself that maybe he might change the spot to be slightly closer to the goal line. But you CANNOT go and change that to a touchdown when the whistle had blown. How is that reviewable? I'm just not seeing it.

But yeah, it was pointless to begin with.

Utah_Saint · 12-06-2016, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It may take 15 years to find another QB that could be a franchise QB for ten years. I guess we could pick one off that magic QB tree.

I suspect it grows in Wisconsin.

darksoul35 · 12-07-2016, 05:00 PM

In our history there is only one other great QB. He looked like crap but damn everything is on his shoulders week in and week out. He had a bad game. It happens. They killed us on both sides of the line of scrimmage also.

Rell&Gold · 12-07-2016, 10:40 PM

Man o man y'all hard to please.......and was somebody seriously comparing MI to DB....

12-06-2016, 10:31 AM	#31
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Drew Brees The defense played well, minus a big play off an all out blitz. The real reality is, Drew has to have perfect games for us to have any chance of winning, so an off day is a guaranteed loss. SaintsBro and darksoul35 like this.

12-06-2016, 10:52 AM	#32
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,152	Re: Drew Brees Reality check: Can we expect more or less games like this out of Brees in the coming season? Would anyone be hesitant about seeing what we could get for Ingram if he dropped 3 turnovers in a single game (which could have been 4 if the fumble weren't recovered)? No 'yeah but' excuses anymore. The team should be in rebuild mode starting with a QB that can be the franchise for the next 10 years and not waiting for another 2009 to happen again...'cause it ain't! Love him, but for the good of the franchise, we have to move on!
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12-06-2016, 11:11 AM	#33
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Drew Brees Originally Posted by leilung Reality check: Can we expect more or less games like this out of Brees in the coming season? Would anyone be hesitant about seeing what we could get for Ingram if he dropped 3 turnovers in a single game (which could have been 4 if the fumble weren't recovered)? No 'yeah but' excuses anymore. The team should be in rebuild mode starting with a QB that can be the franchise for the next 10 years and not waiting for another 2009 to happen again...'cause it ain't! Love him, but for the good of the franchise, we have to move on! At the end of the game stats were padded, I never count those. Meaningless. This entire team dropped the ball from the top to bottom, I was partiuarly got amused about the blitz that ended up as a Lions touchdown, kind of broke our backs but it reassured me of Allens calls and his D. There has been a few low score game that Brees hasn't looked good against the better D's this season but looked great othertimes. As far as rebuilding with another qb. I would have to agree, with the Saints FO and always trying patchwork D's with basically the same D coaches and staff I think we waisted our best run with Brees never having a D to speak of. leilung likes this.

12-06-2016, 11:17 AM	#34
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Re: Drew Brees The offense never got into a rhythm.... Drew Brees was never comfortable in the pocket.... I noticed we called a lot of play in the bunch formation and the lions were kicking out butts when we spread the formation out we did better but ugh the screen plays were terrible....

12-06-2016, 02:49 PM	#35
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Drew Brees Originally Posted by leilung Reality check: Can we expect more or less games like this out of Brees in the coming season? Would anyone be hesitant about seeing what we could get for Ingram if he dropped 3 turnovers in a single game (which could have been 4 if the fumble weren't recovered)? No 'yeah but' excuses anymore. The team should be in rebuild mode starting with a QB that can be the franchise for the next 10 years and not waiting for another 2009 to happen again...'cause it ain't! Love him, but for the good of the franchise, we have to move on! It may take 15 years to find another QB that could be a franchise QB for ten years. I guess we could pick one off that magic QB tree. saintfan, jnormand, darksoul35 and 1 others like this.

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12-06-2016, 03:06 PM	#36
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,947 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Drew Brees Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It may take 15 years to find another QB that could be a franchise QB for ten years. I guess we could pick one off that magic QB tree. Have to agree here. People routinely talk about our next franchise QB, but can anyone say for sure where or when we might find him? By my count we've had 2 truly great QB's in our entire history, and they were separated by decades. Maybe we get lucky and find that next guy sooner than later, but in the meantime I think you ride your future HOF QB until he can't go anymore. Danno, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

12-06-2016, 06:15 PM	#37
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees Originally Posted by AsylumGuido While I agree with you that Payton definitely should not have challenged the Cooks' play, I have to disagree with you on a few of points. The play was reviewable. I know the announcer said it wasn't, but it was. Also, if it was not reviewable the refs definitely would not have accepted the review. And finally, Cooks was clearly down. Yes, he was pulled down upon the defender's body and rolled over and off, but before gaining his feet his forearm clearly hit the turf. That is down by contact. But, with first and goal inside the one, Payton should never have taken the chance. They ruled him down on the play and blew the whistle. The only way it would have been reviewable is if there were a fumble, in which case you can review for a change of possession, but you can't allow advancement of the ball after the whistle. This was a challenge to review whether or not he was down, which is not reviewable because you can't reverse the call after you blew the whistle and everyone stopped playing. I think the ref either blew it by not remembering that (refs DO screw up the rules from time to time, not just the calls) or he justified it in his own head by telling himself that maybe he might change the spot to be slightly closer to the goal line. But you CANNOT go and change that to a touchdown when the whistle had blown. How is that reviewable? I'm just not seeing it. But yeah, it was pointless to begin with.
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12-06-2016, 06:56 PM	#38
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Drew Brees Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It may take 15 years to find another QB that could be a franchise QB for ten years. I guess we could pick one off that magic QB tree. I suspect it grows in Wisconsin. RailBoss likes this.

12-07-2016, 05:00 PM	#39
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,022	Re: Drew Brees In our history there is only one other great QB. He looked like crap but damn everything is on his shoulders week in and week out. He had a bad game. It happens. They killed us on both sides of the line of scrimmage also.
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12-07-2016, 10:40 PM	#40
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