We're not going to be a first ranked defense anytime soon

AsylumGuido · 12-25-2016, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

We'll see. I expect the good ole boys to ride it down until it burns.

Of course you do. That's how you roll.

AsylumGuido · 12-25-2016, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

How were we ranked 25 overall if we were 12 against the run and 4th against the pass? Is that common core math?

You're right. A little off there. The Saints were 26th against the pass, 12th against the run, and 25th overall.

AsylumGuido · 12-25-2016, 07:40 AM

Currently the Saints are 24th overall, 30th against the pass, and 13th against the run. Considering all of the injuries to the secondary this isn't surprising.

halloween 65 · 12-25-2016, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Of course you do. That's how you roll.

Please, please tell me what other team(s) are knocking down the door for Vitt, Johnson or Allen? Can't can you? Tell me they have produced enough to warrant being here? Tell me they are top notch at their positions? Their D's have never been good, that's how they roll.

WillSaints81 · 12-25-2016, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I know no one who thinks its possible to have the #1 defense anytime soon.

Not One Person.

The point of this was the offense. It seems that's what needs to happen for Brees/offense to play better or just play the same like have a team that can bail him out all game long like against Detroit because it's just one of those games. Against the lions and giants, Brees played like 2015 Manning. It's like wanting to win games in spite of the offense's play.

I know no offense can win every game but..........if they don't score at least 17 they usually lose. And against a top 10 offense, 17 is not ever going to be good enough to win, no matter how good the defense is.

WillSaints81 · 12-25-2016, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I said early in the season a 25th ranked D wouldn't get us a sniff in the playoffs. In 2009 we had a real DC who could make chicken salad with chicken poop. Allen has improved the D to 26th with the last 2 drafts being D heavy and brought in vet FA to fill certain spots. Allen has his D in place for 1 1/2 years not just this season I hate to keep saying this but he's really not that good of a DC to begin with and having the players he has now is the only reason we're at 26th now. I hope somehow someway we get a real DC to get this D turned around because Allen surely isn't the answer to getting us back in contention.

So in other words...........you want to do what we already did with Ryan and change the scheme so we could have more problems with players not fitting the scheme?

Thirty3 · 12-25-2016, 11:11 AM

32 to 24 up 8 spots with very injured roster? OK with me. The D played with heart. More than the offense most of the season. Need O line help - prep for future everything else will be lagniappe.

AsylumGuido · 12-25-2016, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

The point of this was the offense. It seems that's what needs to happen for Brees/offense to play better or just play the same like have a team that can bail him out all game long like against Detroit because it's just one of those games. Against the lions and giants, Brees played like 2015 Manning. It's like wanting to win games in spite of the offense's play.

I know no offense can win every game but..........if they don't score at least 17 they usually lose. And against a top 10 offense, 17 is not ever going to be good enough to win, no matter how good the defense is.

There were dropped sure thing TD's in both of those games. One by Cadet and another by Cooks.

The Dude · 12-25-2016, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I know no one who thinks its possible to have the #1 defense anytime soon.

Not One Person.

Or really at all. It would be great but that's a lot to expect.

AsylumGuido · 12-25-2016, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Or really at all. It would be great but that's a lot to expect.

Only one team per year has the #1 defense. I know of nobody that has any expectation of the Saints being that team anytime soon, nor do they have to to be successful.

12-25-2016, 07:32 AM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: We're not going to be a first ranked defense anytime soon Originally Posted by halloween 65 We'll see. I expect the good ole boys to ride it down until it burns. Of course you do. That's how you roll.

12-25-2016, 07:36 AM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: We're not going to be a first ranked defense anytime soon Originally Posted by voodooido How were we ranked 25 overall if we were 12 against the run and 4th against the pass? Is that common core math? You're right. A little off there. The Saints were 26th against the pass, 12th against the run, and 25th overall.

12-25-2016, 07:40 AM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: We're not going to be a first ranked defense anytime soon Currently the Saints are 24th overall, 30th against the pass, and 13th against the run. Considering all of the injuries to the secondary this isn't surprising.

12-25-2016, 09:04 AM	#24
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: We're not going to be a first ranked defense anytime soon Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Of course you do. That's how you roll. Please, please tell me what other team(s) are knocking down the door for Vitt, Johnson or Allen? Can't can you? Tell me they have produced enough to warrant being here? Tell me they are top notch at their positions? Their D's have never been good, that's how they roll.

12-25-2016, 10:37 AM	#25
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: We're not going to be a first ranked defense anytime soon Originally Posted by Danno I know no one who thinks its possible to have the #1 defense anytime soon. Not One Person. The point of this was the offense. It seems that's what needs to happen for Brees/offense to play better or just play the same like have a team that can bail him out all game long like against Detroit because it's just one of those games. Against the lions and giants, Brees played like 2015 Manning. It's like wanting to win games in spite of the offense's play. I know no offense can win every game but..........if they don't score at least 17 they usually lose. And against a top 10 offense, 17 is not ever going to be good enough to win, no matter how good the defense is. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

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12-25-2016, 10:38 AM	#26
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: We're not going to be a first ranked defense anytime soon Originally Posted by halloween 65 I said early in the season a 25th ranked D wouldn't get us a sniff in the playoffs. In 2009 we had a real DC who could make chicken salad with chicken poop. Allen has improved the D to 26th with the last 2 drafts being D heavy and brought in vet FA to fill certain spots. Allen has his D in place for 1 1/2 years not just this season I hate to keep saying this but he's really not that good of a DC to begin with and having the players he has now is the only reason we're at 26th now. I hope somehow someway we get a real DC to get this D turned around because Allen surely isn't the answer to getting us back in contention. So in other words...........you want to do what we already did with Ryan and change the scheme so we could have more problems with players not fitting the scheme?

12-25-2016, 11:11 AM	#27
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: We're not going to be a first ranked defense anytime soon 32 to 24 up 8 spots with very injured roster? OK with me. The D played with heart. More than the offense most of the season. Need O line help - prep for future everything else will be lagniappe. Utah_Saint and darksoul35 like this.
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12-25-2016, 11:25 AM	#28
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: We're not going to be a first ranked defense anytime soon Originally Posted by WillSaints81 The point of this was the offense. It seems that's what needs to happen for Brees/offense to play better or just play the same like have a team that can bail him out all game long like against Detroit because it's just one of those games. Against the lions and giants, Brees played like 2015 Manning. It's like wanting to win games in spite of the offense's play. I know no offense can win every game but..........if they don't score at least 17 they usually lose. And against a top 10 offense, 17 is not ever going to be good enough to win, no matter how good the defense is. There were dropped sure thing TD's in both of those games. One by Cadet and another by Cooks.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,076	Re: We're not going to be a first ranked defense anytime soon Originally Posted by Danno I know no one who thinks its possible to have the #1 defense anytime soon. Not One Person. Or really at all. It would be great but that's a lot to expect.
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12-25-2016, 08:28 PM	#30
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: We're not going to be a first ranked defense anytime soon Originally Posted by The Dude Or really at all. It would be great but that's a lot to expect. Only one team per year has the #1 defense. I know of nobody that has any expectation of the Saints being that team anytime soon, nor do they have to to be successful.

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