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What\'s your point? Horn has something to do with this team\'s history? That\'s not my argument, my arrgument is that people are selling Joe short in the current hiearchy of WRs. Joe\'s achievements should be overlooked since he\'s not playing for a team with a rich history of WR talent? That\'s a peripheral argument and you picked one thing out of all that to point out. Makes no sense.

I mean....am I going to argue that this team has a history of WR greats? no. I was just saying that he has made quite a splash here for this team.

What does Duece or AB have to do with this topic? They may or may not be the best, but that\'s not what I\'m talking about.

\"Sorry yasoon\"

For what? Did you prove something I said to be wrong? No.

Is it something to be proud of for this team? Uhhhh...yes. It\'s my favorite NFL team, so after growing up watching them and spending all this time rooting for them, I can recognize when I see one of our best ever CAN\'T I ?
No, I can\'t hold the Saints to the standards of a Cowboy alltimer or a Packers all timer or a Niners all timer......but those aren\'t the teams I root for. You deal in the reality of your team.

So, your point is what? Joe is our best WR ever, but that\'s not saying much so who cares. That\'s not a point.

By your statement, Tom Brady is the best QB in New England history, but that doesn\'t matter since he\'s competing with an early Jim Plunkett and Tony Eason. So, therefore, who cares that he\'s the best they\'ve had...they don\'t have a rich history at QB.

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WOW.

I think whodat was saying that having better #2 and # 3 options makes your #1 more dangerous. You turned it around. That\'s a decent point....right? I got it.

The idea that the colts may not make the playoffs without Harrison is very cute. Take that to NFL Primetime and get laughed off the podium by everybody who gets paid to cover the NFL.

I mean that offense even makes the fullback look like a receiving threat. Marvin IS a hall of famer, but I think he has benefitted as much from the system as the system has benefitted from him.

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The best you got is insults yasoon. Then let me bow to your ignorance. It is mighty and vast.

You threw the Joe is the best receiver we ever had crap out there. I put Deuce and AB in there to show in the context of OUR TEAM, that means very little. You didn\'t have to tell me the only team you care or know about in the NFL is the Saints, it shows. No need to state the obvious. The point wasn\'t to prove you wrong, the point was that statement can be said about several people who have done nothing special in the scope of the NFL, ya know the LEAGUE the Saints play in. So if you base player greateness and ability just on measures of OUR TEAM, you will fall woefully short in the LARGER SCHEME. But like I said, I got the drift of your knowledge pretty quickly.

Tom Brady probably is the best QB New England ever had, outside a young Drew Bledsoe. What\'s your point? that you know nothing about anyone except the Saints? Like I said, I got that one already.

Are you serious? That wasn\'t until THIS YEAR that Wayne and Stokley exploded like they did. Wayne was called an underachiever until this year, and it was ALL Harrison before that. So since Harrison, who set an NFL record with 143 catches a season or two ago was there and doing great BEFORE Wayne and Stokley emerged, how is that a valid point? Serious? Why butt in if you don\'t know what you are talking about?Wayne has had seasons of 27, 49, 68, and then 77 catches last year. Never 1000 yards before LAST YEAR. Harrison has been with the Colts for NINE YEARS. I guess Wayne was making Harrison better before he even got to be a Colt huh? OR are you saying the Colts number two and three receivers have always been as good as last year. If so, name them, that shouldn\'t be hard. Pathon did okay there, then he got hurt.

Stokley just got there 2 years ago, played in 6 games, started 3, and had a whopping 22 catches. Seems like that helped Harrison a great deal. Thanks again for adding nothing. :casstet:

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Good argument. The team isn\'t good therefore Joe Horn isn\'t either. Why keep Deuce? He wasn\'t even on the team when we made the playoffs.

I\'ll bet you on Harrison vs. Horn. Baring major injury that keeps either out of a series of games, I\'ll bet you Joe Horn will out-perform Harrison over the next 3 seasons. By out-perform I mean he will put up better numbers on the field. Likewise, he\'ll do it for less money. Wanna bet?

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Wait, why are we barring serious injury Who? Joe\'s injury report got you worried? They\'re the same age right? That\'s your point right? If either gets injured the other wins whatever this bet is for, since that\'s all you got. Do you seriously wanna bet an above average receiver will do as well as an almost certain hall of famer? I\'ll take that anyday. Trip to a Saints game? What? What\'s your poison? Whatever it is, I am in. And bring some of what you are smoking too. ;)

What numbers are we talking about also? If Harrison catches 100 balls and has 11 yards, but Joe catches 90 balls and has 1150 yards, which stat is better? Harrison had 15 Tds last year WITH Stokley and Wayne blowing up, surely you don\'t wanna bet on TDs? What\'s the criteria? Set it off big guy.

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Criteria is the same used by the NFL to rank WRs.

The reason for barring injury has nothing to do with Joe Horn\'s history. You\'re right, Horn\'s name is on it every week. And every week last season he limped onto the field and outperformed Marvin Harrison... :o

The reason you bar major injury is b/c it\'s the NFL Whodi. A guy can have a career-ending injury on any play in the NFL - whether he\'s 22 or 42.

Good so we\'re on.

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So we consider an injury a fluke occurence no? SO since it is fluke, and neither has had a serious injury to this point in their careers, the bet is on(whatever it may be) but we are not barring serious injury. Serious injury is automatic victory for the other person. Also, considering Harrison is fighting for balls with Stokley, Wayne, and Clark, a potential serious injury to Joe levels the playing field. But you wanna give him big money(not top 5 but big) so you were already assuming he wouldn\'t get hurt AND he would put up the same numbers so it should be a non-issue.

SO ante up, what\'s the bet? All of B&G is a witness.

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I\'ll make one statement here. Last season, without Joe Horn - we would not have wonn three games all year.

What is that worth? I\'m not sure. I\'m just saying a record improvement from 2-14 to 8-8 is a measure of his impact to our offense. Just my opinion.

EDITED because I confused myself.

[Edited on 18/3/2005 by FrenzyFan]

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Okay Frenzy, that went right over my head. Didn\'t Joe play all 16 last season? :shrug:

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Sorry, went over mine as well when I re-read it.

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Well, we lost those 8 games WITH Joe too right? I can\'t see how he is the difference maker. He was here when we were 4-8, although he did bail us out int hat Rams game. Terrible AB pass.

Howard missed 11 games year before last, maybe we can say our win-loss record is due to Howard? Deuce missed some games and played hurt this year. Maybe we can say we got some losses cause of that? I don\'t see how it can be definitively said Joe was the factor.

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So next season, if Joe Horn gets hurt in the second week of the season and has to miss significant playing time, you can\'t see how that would effect the team more significantly than if Harrison got hurt? Really? You can\'t see that without Horn we\'re up a creek with Stallworth and Gardner, while the Colts wouldn\'t be hurting too badly with just Wayne and Stokely? That\'s hard for you to conceptualize?

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I really can\'t believe that Whodi. I think you\'re just being difficult.

Who would you rather have?
Manning, James, Wayne, Stokely

OR

Brooks, McAllister, Stallworth, Gardner

Seems like a no brainer to me. There are 3 bona fide stars in the first group and a pretty solid potential starter in Stokely. There\'s one guy who is somewhere between a star and a solid starter in the second group in Deuce, assuming he stays healthy and fit. Thus, a Pro Bowl WR provides significant incremental value to the Saints, but not as much to the Colts. Would you disagree?

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Can you just not think clearly or do you choose to be that way, WhoDat?

I think you told me that without Deuce we would be screwed. Well, Deuce and our rushing offense finished 27th in rushing and we still had the same record as the past few years.

Yeah, I can see it now. Joe Horn goes down and we finish 8-8. And with Joe Horn what have we finished? :o

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Well next season, I am told the coaches want to get back to a run first, run oriented offense. I am also satisfied with Stallworth\'s progression, as much as that may put me in the minority. I don\'t think not having Joe Horn ends the Saints world.

But again, I would think I was talking about a playoff team here with all this gloom and doom if we don\'t have Joe or we don\'t have Howard. Hello, we don\'t make the playoffs with EITHER one. Why should I feel bad if we only win 6 games instead of 8 cause we don\'t have Joe Horn? Aren\'t we also up a creek if AB gets hurt? I want him gone, and YOU want him gone. Why should I clutch my blankie tight for fear of Horn being hurt or leaving? I don\'t do it for AB, I am not gonna do it for Horn. If he wants to play out this year and walk, have at it. If he gets hurt, well, it;s the same as him holding out. If he didn\'t mean it he shouldn\'t have said it. Bottom line.

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What kinda loaded question is that? You know damn well Peyton alone makes the first group better. Give me a break. If you said would I rather have Manning, Deuce, Stallworth and HENDERSON(why does everyone say Gardner) or Brooks, James, Wayne and Stokley, I am taking the group with Manning. Come on dude, you can do better than that.

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Billy - just so we\'re real real real clear so when I quote you later you don\'t complain...

You\'re telling me that losing Joe Horn would not hurt the Saints at all? Essentially, our Pro Bowl WR is not valuable to the team, is completely expendable, and any guy could be plugged in and get the same results.

Am I misquoting your sentiment?