I have about had it with this fanbase.

Papa Voodoo · 01-03-2017, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

And btw, if our defense could not get to where it needs this year then what was the point of ignoring the offensive line just to have another mediocre defense? It does not take years for a defense to be better not when there's 30 million on the salary cap next year. The team has had losing seasons because only improving little by little on each side. That is terrible management. If Brady or Rodgers was on this team they would get in the FO's faces and demand the offense improve.

Seriously fixing a defense for three years now while a offense suffers at the expense.

The Saints O is still highly proficient. The O line was supposed to have Peat at guard and for Lelito to step up like Strief did years ago. Evans did a good job and our elite LT was hurt. Peat played well at LT. We will get a solid guard. The defense improved despite tons of injuries.

Lutz's 3 blocked game winning kicks and a 2 point conversion against the Raiders = 4 losses we snatched out of the jaws of victory. Those 4 plays go right and we would have an 11-5 record and we would be in the playoffs.

The Dude · 01-03-2017, 03:09 PM

And another thing, where does someone that is a player first, fantasy, and bandwagon fan get off judging the real fans?

CharityMike · 01-03-2017, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

And another thing, where does someone that is a player first, fantasy, and bandwagon fan get off judging the real fans?

Well said!

WillSaints81 · 01-03-2017, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

And another thing, where does someone that is a player first, fantasy, and bandwagon fan get off judging the real fans?

Did I say I was a fantasy first fan? I have actually not been that or else I would not be always on the chat during games. Fantasy is important to me but I have been watching for the saints. I'm a Brees first fan in terms of his status it did not mean i was not a saints fan. When you have an elite qb contending against history, you have to realize he deserves what he deserves to help him succeed and that's a offensive line. We all know Brees would take another team to a championship, either a top 5 defense or top notch OL like Dallas and Tennessee(to playoffs and division titles at least until defense gets improved). But he could be declining now and no one has a definite answer.

WHODATINCA · 01-03-2017, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Did I say I was a fantasy first fan? ... But he could be declining now and no one has a definite answer.

You need to stop *****ing about what happened to Drew Brees dude. He signed the contracts to stay here every damn year. He knows what you don't -- there is no I in team. And, building a SB contender is a lot harder than you seem to think it is.

The above is not to let coaching and management off the hook. But, coaching and management don't need to build a SB contending team for Drew Brees -- they need to do it because it is their job. Drew Brees can leave if he believes that he can go back to the SB with another team.

skymike · 01-04-2017, 02:35 AM

Dude. We have guys on this board who filled the seats in Tulane Stadium &
waited 21 years for a single winning season. I only go back to 1982.
Im from Houston, and I've bled black & gold for over 30 something years. I've seen more bad teams than good ones, and enough hopelessness to go around.
But Im back every year, up to game 16. I GO to the games. And If they had moved after the Storm, to San Antonio, I would have quit football. period.
These are the best fans in not just football, but all of sports.
We support the team, (although, we b*tch and moan, like all fans, and wring hands, but we still SHOW UP TO THE DOME.) We support the city. and we support each other.
-- You, my friend, are not worthy to wear black and gold.

WillSaints81 · 01-04-2017, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

You need to stop *****ing about what happened to Drew Brees dude. He signed the contracts to stay here every damn year. He knows what you don't -- there is no I in team. And, building a SB contender is a lot harder than you seem to think it is.

The above is not to let coaching and management off the hook. But, coaching and management don't need to build a SB contending team for Drew Brees -- they need to do it because it is their job. Drew Brees can leave if he believes that he can go back to the SB with another team.

Building a sb contender is hard but not so much a playoff team. Not everyone in the playoffs is a threat to go to the sb. I will give you two of them........giants and texans.

Can you honestly say with the 2011 defensive stats, the offense we had last year is like 2011? Bottom line, the offense looked bad in games in the past that were winnable. We probably beat Detroit and NYG with Graham. We don't get swept by Atlanta. If oline isn't the problem, the receivers are.

jeanpierre · 01-04-2017, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Building a sb contender is hard but not so much a playoff team. Not everyone in the playoffs is a threat to go to the sb. I will give you two of them........giants and texans.

Can you honestly say with the 2011 defensive stats, the offense we had last year is like 2011? Bottom line, the offense looked bad in games in the past that were winnable. We probably beat Detroit and NYG with Graham. We don't get swept by Atlanta. If oline isn't the problem, the receivers are.

Will, don't tell Patriots fans the G'nats aren't a real threat...

Eli is Kryptonite to Belichick, Brady and the Pats...

WillSaints81 · 01-06-2017, 01:05 AM

[QUOTE=jeanpierre;732438]Will, don't tell Patriots fans the G'nats aren't a real threat...

Eli is Kryptonite to Belichick, Brady and the Pats...[/QUOTE

What happened to Eli last year when he played the pats? Also, giants two sb wins were due to having easy first round matchups followed by rematches where they used past losses in game film to exploit teams. They did not get GB's best week 5 and I expect them to get blown out.

WillSaints81 · 01-03-2017, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

The Saints O is still highly proficient. The O line was supposed to have Peat at guard and for Lelito to step up like Strief did years ago. Evans did a good job and our elite LT was hurt. Peat played well at LT. We will get a solid guard. The defense improved despite tons of injuries.

Lutz's 3 blocked game winning kicks and a 2 point conversion against the Raiders = 4 losses we snatched out of the jaws of victory. Those 4 plays go right and we would have an 11-5 record and we would be in the playoffs.

Lelito was unproven. He played well because he was a backup to Goodwin and no one was game planning for him. Then he gets moved to a position he's never even played. That was putting a bandaid on the oline.

01-03-2017, 11:43 AM	#1
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: I have about had it with this fanbase. Originally Posted by WillSaints81 And btw, if our defense could not get to where it needs this year then what was the point of ignoring the offensive line just to have another mediocre defense? It does not take years for a defense to be better not when there's 30 million on the salary cap next year. The team has had losing seasons because only improving little by little on each side. That is terrible management. If Brady or Rodgers was on this team they would get in the FO's faces and demand the offense improve. Seriously fixing a defense for three years now while a offense suffers at the expense. The Saints O is still highly proficient. The O line was supposed to have Peat at guard and for Lelito to step up like Strief did years ago. Evans did a good job and our elite LT was hurt. Peat played well at LT. We will get a solid guard. The defense improved despite tons of injuries. Lutz's 3 blocked game winning kicks and a 2 point conversion against the Raiders = 4 losses we snatched out of the jaws of victory. Those 4 plays go right and we would have an 11-5 record and we would be in the playoffs. CharityMike and WHODATINCA like this.

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01-03-2017, 04:23 PM	#3
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: I have about had it with this fanbase. Originally Posted by The Dude And another thing, where does someone that is a player first, fantasy, and bandwagon fan get off judging the real fans? Well said!

01-03-2017, 07:40 PM	#4
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: I have about had it with this fanbase. Originally Posted by The Dude And another thing, where does someone that is a player first, fantasy, and bandwagon fan get off judging the real fans? Did I say I was a fantasy first fan? I have actually not been that or else I would not be always on the chat during games. Fantasy is important to me but I have been watching for the saints. I'm a Brees first fan in terms of his status it did not mean i was not a saints fan. When you have an elite qb contending against history, you have to realize he deserves what he deserves to help him succeed and that's a offensive line. We all know Brees would take another team to a championship, either a top 5 defense or top notch OL like Dallas and Tennessee(to playoffs and division titles at least until defense gets improved). But he could be declining now and no one has a definite answer.

01-03-2017, 11:06 PM	#5
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: I have about had it with this fanbase. Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Did I say I was a fantasy first fan? ... But he could be declining now and no one has a definite answer. You need to stop *****ing about what happened to Drew Brees dude. He signed the contracts to stay here every damn year. He knows what you don't -- there is no I in team. And, building a SB contender is a lot harder than you seem to think it is. The above is not to let coaching and management off the hook. But, coaching and management don't need to build a SB contending team for Drew Brees -- they need to do it because it is their job. Drew Brees can leave if he believes that he can go back to the SB with another team. jnormand likes this.
	Shutdown defense in 2017 = Championship!

01-04-2017, 02:35 AM	#6
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: I have about had it with this fanbase. Dude. We have guys on this board who filled the seats in Tulane Stadium & waited 21 years for a single winning season. I only go back to 1982. Im from Houston, and I've bled black & gold for over 30 something years. I've seen more bad teams than good ones, and enough hopelessness to go around. But Im back every year, up to game 16. I GO to the games. And If they had moved after the Storm, to San Antonio, I would have quit football. period. These are the best fans in not just football, but all of sports. We support the team, (although, we b*tch and moan, like all fans, and wring hands, but we still SHOW UP TO THE DOME.) We support the city. and we support each other. -- You, my friend, are not worthy to wear black and gold. SaintFanInATLHELL, exiled, Crusader and 9 others like this.

01-04-2017, 02:39 PM	#7
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: I have about had it with this fanbase. Originally Posted by WHODATINCA You need to stop *****ing about what happened to Drew Brees dude. He signed the contracts to stay here every damn year. He knows what you don't -- there is no I in team. And, building a SB contender is a lot harder than you seem to think it is. The above is not to let coaching and management off the hook. But, coaching and management don't need to build a SB contending team for Drew Brees -- they need to do it because it is their job. Drew Brees can leave if he believes that he can go back to the SB with another team. Building a sb contender is hard but not so much a playoff team. Not everyone in the playoffs is a threat to go to the sb. I will give you two of them........giants and texans. Can you honestly say with the 2011 defensive stats, the offense we had last year is like 2011? Bottom line, the offense looked bad in games in the past that were winnable. We probably beat Detroit and NYG with Graham. We don't get swept by Atlanta. If oline isn't the problem, the receivers are.

01-04-2017, 03:30 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: I have about had it with this fanbase. Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Building a sb contender is hard but not so much a playoff team. Not everyone in the playoffs is a threat to go to the sb. I will give you two of them........giants and texans. Can you honestly say with the 2011 defensive stats, the offense we had last year is like 2011? Bottom line, the offense looked bad in games in the past that were winnable. We probably beat Detroit and NYG with Graham. We don't get swept by Atlanta. If oline isn't the problem, the receivers are. Will, don't tell Patriots fans the G'nats aren't a real threat... Eli is Kryptonite to Belichick, Brady and the Pats...

01-06-2017, 01:05 AM	#9
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: I have about had it with this fanbase. [QUOTE=jeanpierre;732438]Will, don't tell Patriots fans the G'nats aren't a real threat... Eli is Kryptonite to Belichick, Brady and the Pats...[/QUOTE What happened to Eli last year when he played the pats? Also, giants two sb wins were due to having easy first round matchups followed by rematches where they used past losses in game film to exploit teams. They did not get GB's best week 5 and I expect them to get blown out.

01-03-2017, 07:46 PM	#10
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: I have about had it with this fanbase. Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo The Saints O is still highly proficient. The O line was supposed to have Peat at guard and for Lelito to step up like Strief did years ago. Evans did a good job and our elite LT was hurt. Peat played well at LT. We will get a solid guard. The defense improved despite tons of injuries. Lutz's 3 blocked game winning kicks and a 2 point conversion against the Raiders = 4 losses we snatched out of the jaws of victory. Those 4 plays go right and we would have an 11-5 record and we would be in the playoffs. Lelito was unproven. He played well because he was a backup to Goodwin and no one was game planning for him. Then he gets moved to a position he's never even played. That was putting a bandaid on the oline.

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