Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

***************** is it snowing in New Orleans?

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Yeah no doubt, definitely a time buying measure. You look at the Revns and they fired their o'cord. Other teams are letting go entire d side of the ball, think the skins. It is what coaches do before their ass is rocked. Think back after '06, 07 and 08 were sub par years.7-9 and 8-8. SP was feeling the heat again then, what did he do? Fired his Dcoord.

FF to now, 3 straight 7-9 campaigns from Low Energy. His ******* is on fire right now it is so hott. Couldn't fire the dccord, only been here one season, so fire everyone else.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

That is so shallow minded. You truly feel fires are made in a vacuum with outward perception being the driving force? I'll guarantee you that Payton doesn't make any move "to buy time". That is juvenile. He made the moves because they had to be made. He fired the coaches he fired because they were not doing their jobs as all of you (yourself, drizzle and halloween) have been promoting. And why would he fire Dennis Allen? The defense showed improvement and Allen showed repeatedly that while working with a squad full of temporary players he could make adjustment at the half, which is something that Ryan could never do. What the defense needs is stability. You don't get that by making change at the top. THAT makes no sense whatsoever.

No, Payton fired those coaches for the sole reason that they needed to be fired. It was the right move to make ... unless y'all think that you were wrong.

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Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Annnnd he really wants to win too!

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Yes, more than anything.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

I don't get you guys...

If you've been watching Saints football the last three years, there should be several distinct markers that showed up this season...

Our defenses essentially shut teams down in the second halves of games...

Our secondary really limited the big pass plays compared to previous seasons...

We had three areas that glaringly led to losses this season...

Kicking game directly led to three losses - so McMahon and Kwan were dismissed...

Pass rush, front four were not a threat through most of the season, even when Rankins returned and Onyemata started leveling up - so the defensive line coach was dismissed...

Our first round pick from last year was essentially benched and unable to "grasp" the game - after years of my incessant arguing that Vitt was a liability, my hope was answered and he was dismissed...

Payton is loyal to his guys and those firings emotionally have had to wreck him - they would have for me (and I had to let a close friend go this past year in my business who I had to face was a problem)...

Payton is doing exactly what is necessary, he just has to close the deal with the right hires as he had made last season...

Look at the improvements in the offensive line and defensive secondary - those guys are the argument that not just head coach but assistants should win Coach of the Year...

We're all upset with the record and underachievement this season after another stellar Brees' effort...

The injuries were horrendous and Payton could have used it to sidestep any dismissals - but he's a bright football guy who faced and acknowledged changes to the coaching staff were needed...

You think Jim Mora would have done them? This is Payton's first head coaching gig and he's been fortunate in many regards but this team is headed in the right direction and I for one am really excited about next season...

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Excellent response, JP. One would think that this would be obvious to all. I couldn't agree more with every point you made, especially about the excitement for next season!

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

JP just because Allen made adjustments in the 2nd half of the game doesn't help the playcalling he made in the 1st half. 1/2 a game don't cut it.A 7-9 record pretty well shows that. If his D starts costing us games early in the season and the O has to score 32+ ppg, it's still a problem winning or not. I got no choice but to take the wait and see approach but you can believe my eyes will be wide open looking at the D.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Then tell me why he took so long? It's been that way for the D side forever.

Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 

Because he is human and he most likely cares deeply about all of them. I'm sure he would have wanted them to come out of the rebuild we have been going through since the end of the 2013 season with solid results. Did he give them more chances than another coach may have? Yes, I would say that he definitely did. But, regardless of what some of you believe, Payton is not stupid. It was clear that these moves were required and as painful as they had to have been, he did make them. Give him that credit and let's all move on.