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spkb25 01-05-2017 07:21 PM
Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 732653)
Because they were forcing the ball because of the depleted defense. Can't you see the obvious?
Sir, 2 of those turnoves were fumbles...no forcing, coughing it up. Both by Mike inside our 30 yard line. The other was a pass that went off the receivers hands. No forcing..off the receivers hands.

**** I just discovered we had 4 turnovers in the broncos game!!! LOL!

One of them was after we had already drove 51 yards and the score was only 7-0. Why would you be forcing the ball when you're driving to tie. Then our defense forced a punt and with the score still 7-0 here comes the second int on the very first play.

The fumbles were when we were down 17-10, and then when we were down 20-17. I see nothing showing any need for forcing.

But by all means, keep going

WhoDat!656 01-05-2017 07:21 PM
Re: Breaking News: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 732579)
oh god waiting for all love to pour forth 1 2 3 ..................................



On the bright side a lot of coaches are going to be cleaning out their lockers all around the NFL so there should be some solid hires to come.

spkb25 01-05-2017 07:25 PM
Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 732652)
Before you get up on your high horse, read my post again, at no point did I say that the Offense alone was the problem in 2016. Do I believe they are to blame for some losses? Yes, of course. But the D are to blame for more.

Also I never said the offense didn't score a bunch of points, I said they committed 4 turnovers and put the D in bad spots in the Denver game and turned the ball over at critical times in the Chiefs game.

Points can be scored in garbabe time, as evidenced by the 19 we put up in the 4th quarter vs falcons which I already stated in another point was entirely the defenses fault.
Yeah, no one is acting like the offense was more of a problem or that the 25th ranked d wasn't an issue. Of course, but those 5 losses weren't on the d, plain and simple.

Danno 01-05-2017 07:28 PM
Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 732654)
Didn't address one fact made about those 5 games, exactly. That's called passively accepting defeat.

Now you're changing the topic.So let me get you back on topic.

The point I made was simply this, it did not extend further:

The Offense was responsible for 5 of our losses.
Again no, our offense didn't play well in 5 of our losses. They were not to blame.

Did you not see the blocked FG that cost us the Giants game?

Did you not see the blocked PAT that cost us the Bronco's game?

Those were both on the ST's.

I'm a bit surprised you blame those on the offense.

dizzle88 01-05-2017 07:31 PM
Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 732663)
Again no, our offense didn't play well in 5 of our losses. They were not to blame.

Did you not see the blocked FG that cost us the Giants game?

Did you not see the blocked PAT that cost us the Bronco's game?

Those were both on the ST's.

I'm a bit surprised you blame those on the offense.
The blocked PAT would have never happened or wouldn't have mattered if the Offense didn't keep the game close by turning the ball over 4 times. 3 of those in our own half.

It's just like 2011 playoffs all over again, the offense turns the ball over 5 times versus the 49ers but somehow people still blame the D because they couldnt hold.

AsylumGuido 01-05-2017 07:31 PM
Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 732658)
Sir, 2 of those turnoves were fumbles...no forcing, coughing it up. Both by Mike inside our 30 yard line. The other was a pass that went off the receivers hands. No forcing..off the receivers hands.

**** I just discovered we had 4 turnovers in the broncos game!!! LOL!

One of them was after we had already drove 51 yards and the score was only 7-0. Why would you be forcing the ball when you're driving to tie. Then our defense forced a punt and with the score still 7-0 here comes the second int on the very first play.

The fumbles were when we were down 17-10, and then when we were down 20-17. I see nothing showing any need for forcing.

But by all means, keep going
And your very shadowy point is? Fire Payton? Cut Ingram? Cut Brees?

You keep going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about something that is meaningless considering the defense was decimated and the special teams were poor.

What point are you trying to make or are you just *****ing for the simple point of *****ing?

AsylumGuido 01-05-2017 07:32 PM
Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 732663)
Again no, our offense didn't play well in 5 of our losses. They were not to blame.

Did you not see the blocked FG that cost us the Giants game?

Did you not see the blocked PAT that cost us the Bronco's game?

Those were both on the ST's.

I'm a bit surprised you blame those on the offense.
He has dug his hole and he is willing to be buried in it. His logic is absent, but his persistence must be admired.

hagan714 01-05-2017 07:33 PM
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Quickest thread to 8 pages ever? LMAO

spkb25 01-05-2017 07:33 PM
Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 732663)
Again no, our offense didn't play well in 5 of our losses. They were not to blame.

Did you not see the blocked FG that cost us the Giants game?

Did you not see the blocked PAT that cost us the Bronco's game?

Those were both on the ST's.

I'm a bit surprised you blame those on the offense.
First I am glad to see you're slowly stopping your argument and now challenging me on two games verse all of them. Either way you're still wrong. You're not wrong in your premise that the offense has less blame than the defense for the entire season, that you're right about, but you're completely wrong that these 5 losses are not on the offense.

They scored 13 points against the Giants, that is their fault. Yes ST contributed, but that is their fault. All they needed to do was score 17 points bro, for Christ sakes their the number one offense in the league, wtf they cant get more than 13 frigan points, really?

The offense had 4 turnovers against the Broncos. One of those turnovers was when we were driving for points. The other three were 1 inside our 40 and 2 inside our 20. That led to 13 points. The blocked XP becomes irrelevant if not for the offensive mistakes

spkb25 01-05-2017 07:36 PM
Re: Vitt, Johnson, McMahon, Kwan, Willis FIRED
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 732666)
And your very shadowy point is? Fire Payton? Cut Ingram? Cut Brees?

You keep going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about something that is meaningless considering the defense was decimated and the special teams were poor.

What point are you trying to make or are you just *****ing for the simple point of *****ing?
Oh, I see you're another one I have to make understand what my original point was.

Let me help. The original point I made was that those 5 losses were on the offense. There was nothing more to it than that. It didn't go any further.


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