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Who do you promote/hire to fill the defensive assistant vacancies?

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If they act fast, they could get Les Miles before the Golden Gophers snag him.

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GOD NO!!!!

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:)
But just think what he a Payton could do with clock management.

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Gumbeaux?

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I know it's a dream but, put Wade Phillips in Vitt's (thankfully) vacated position.

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Possibly Brian Young (promotion to D line coach) or maybe defensive line coach Mike Waufle from the Rams.

My hope is that whatever new coaches are eventually hired in NO, we find someone who can develop Stephone Anthony.

Coach him up :).

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Love Smith, anyone?

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Wade Phillips is a strictly 3-4 based defensive coach. We have finally assembled players that can thrive in a 4-3. That would guarantee two or more years of cleaning house with a mismatched defense.

Sound familiar?

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Kind of got to disagree about not having 3-4 personel. Anthony, Ellerbe, Davidson, Ediboli, Rankins , Byrd, Bell,Harris and thats just off the top of my head. And players would be lining up to play for the guy. I think it would be fairly easy and rank alot better than we are now. I'm not a betting man but if I were he could get us into the high teen in his first season.

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And how do you see them as strictly 3-4 players? So we get rid of Jordan who cna't muddle through in a 3-4? Fairley who is a 4-3? Kikaha who was slated to be a 4-3 DE before the injury? Throw them out? We are now bulit to be a 4-3 with our best players on the front seven. Why change again?

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It's all about the LB coach. I feel like the D-Line and secondary are in good hands with Brian Young and Aaron Glenn. We've prayed for a new LB coach for so long. I have no idea who's out there though.

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I like the LB coach from Dolphins

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I prefer Singletary for linebacker coach but if they want to try Vilma it might work. Is Ken Norton available?

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Do you mean Ken Norton Jr? He is the defensive coordinator for the Raiders.

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Here are a few more notable names:

Jason Tarver - outside LB's 49ers (worked with DAllen in the past)
Bob Babich - LB coach CHARGERS (former coordinator w/Jags)
Mike Mallory - Special Teams Coach JAGUARS (ranked as high as 5th in 2015)
John Pagani - defensive coordinator CHARGERS (solid LB coach)

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Yep, that's who I was referring to. No chance of him taking a demotion.

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Actually Kiki was drafted by Ryan for a 3-4. I would be careful on a Fairley anyway. Jordan, what would a 4-3 team give for him and Vaccarro? I'm sure Phillips would know what he has and hasn't got. Your talking about having one of the best DC's out there and you wouldn't want him because of a 4-3 scheme and a few players that have under performed? We're young at a lot of positions and developing these players for the future is a must in my opionion so why not get the best out there to make it happen ?

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Kikaha flourished as a 4-3 DE for Washington. He was only converted to a Jack his senior year. Payton said he was looking forward to Kikaha's move back to a 4-3 DE prior to his injury in preseason. Let's just see what Kikaha can do as a dedicated edge rusher. Jordan is easily the best player on the Saints defense. Why would they ever consider trading him, not to mention NFL trades are extremely rare? The fact is, Dennis Allen is going nowhere and the Saints will continue the conversion to the 4-3 and all other speculation is meaningless.

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You may be right about Allen staying which does mean a 4-3 D. Although Jordan is a good player, he is not a dominate player or has ever just taken over a game against solid tackles, my opionion of him is lower than yours. As far as trades go NE does it along with others. Ellerbe for Stills, Graham for Unger, it's not uncommon even for us. It may be meaningless but if we had a shot at getting Phillips or even Bradley we should, those coaches have proven track records. What does Allen have? I think we could and should do better at DC if we can now even more since the good ole boys were sent packing.

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Remember this from just after week 13?

Pro Football Focus ✔ @PFF
Highest-graded NFL edge defenders this season:

1. Khalil Mack, 92.5
t2. Cameron Jordan, 91.3
t2. Von Miller, 91.3
4. Brandon Graham, 90.7
7:05 PM - 6 Dec 2016

His value does not come from sacks alone. With a healthy Kikaha and/or another edge rusher on the opposite side his impact would be even greater. He simply does not have enough help.

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If Allen were going, he would've been at the top off the laid-off list that blessed our morning. He's here with all that implies. Phillips isn't going to step down from DC just to run our linebackers. If the donkeys stupidly let him go, there's a line of teams who will grab him for the DC position. Lovie is an interesting name, but isn't he only going for head coaching positions? He's currently doing that at Illinois -Urbana Cham something. It does look like Singletary could be available though...

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im going out and gettin' laid.
oh wait... sorry, misunderstood the question.

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Funniest thing I've heard all day.:)

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I'd be eye balling other coaching staffs such as Seahawks, Pitt, Dallas, NE. and pluck some of theirs...

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Bring in Vilma as the LB coach.

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to early yet. HC are canned and we need to see what happens with the staffs first.

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Lots of hirings occur during/after the Senior bowl.

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Yup. Unemployed coaches all show up that week to shop their wares.

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Time to call Kevin Greene to interview as linebacker coach

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If I am SP, or ML, I am on the phone begging Wade Phillips to come to NO, and do whatever he wants to do with the staff.

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Exactly, Wade seems to have built a top 5 D wherever he lands.

Back in 2011, Houston had a great D with him.
Last couple years he made the broncos into a Defense that didnt even need a QB to win the superbowl.

If SP is serious about this, it's time to bring wade in and demote Allen to an assistant spot.

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I simply don't get this fascination with Wade Phillips. There is no way Denver would voluntarily cut ties with Phillips. They have the perfect set of personnel for his scheme. Why would Phillips ever consider leaving the perfect setup to go to a team with nothing in place to support his style of play? Not only does it not make sense for the Broncos or for Phillips, it makes no sense for the Saints to once again ditch a base defensive scheme that they have spent the past two years populating to once again start over. That would guarantee another two or more years of defensive struggles just due to instability. That is the last thing the Saints need.

If y'all want some sort of outlandish dream of a defensive savior, why not one that wouldn't totally trash what promise the defense has finally began showing?

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So, as DC, the past decade:
2006 San Diego Chargers defense #7 pts #10 yds
2011 Houston Texans defense #4 pts #2 yrds
2012 Houston Texans defense #9 pts #7 yrds
2013 Houston Texans defense #24 pts #7 yrds
2014 Denver Broncos defense #16 pts #3 yrds
2015 Denver Broncos defense #4 pts #1 yrds
2016 Denver Broncos defense #4 pts #4 yrds

It's not "fascination". It is that Wade Phillips is a well established DC, with a track record of success with different teams, and as of right now, he's available. Except for 2013, all of the listed defenses would probably have put the Saints in the SB.

Cuba Gooding Jr. would like to say something...

And you know there is nothing in NO to support his style of play because...?

And the guarantee that the Saints defense is not going to continue its struggle of the past 6-7 years is...?

I don't want, as you so dramatically put, any sort of "outlandish dream of a defensive savior". Here is the deal: the Saints have Drew Brees for 2 years? 3 years? After Drew is gone, you can kiss those customary 5,000 yd seasons goodbye. Wade Phillips is a known commodity at DC, and as of right now, available. So, all things equal, the question becomes, do you go with what what promise the defense began showing, or with the established commodity?

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If y'all want some sort of outlandish dream of a defensive savior, why not one that wouldn't totally trash what promise the defense has finally began showing?[/QUOTE]
I don't want, as you so dramatically put, any sort of "outlandish dream of a defensive savior". Here is the deal: the Saints have Drew Brees for 2 years? 3 years? After Drew is gone, you can kiss those customary 5,000 yd seasons goodbye. Wade Phillips is a known commodity at DC, and as of right now, available. So, all things equal, the question becomes, do you go with what what promise the defense began showing, or with the established commodity?[/QUOTE]

Exactly. A proven DC over a ? anyday. I just don't understand the love for an unproven Allen. Payton surely likes his puppets while he's pulling their strings.

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If y'all want some sort of outlandish dream of a defensive savior, why not one that wouldn't totally trash what promise the defense has finally began showing?[/QUOTE]
I don't want, as you so dramatically put, any sort of "outlandish dream of a defensive savior". Here is the deal: the Saints have Drew Brees for 2 years? 3 years? After Drew is gone, you can kiss those customary 5,000 yd seasons goodbye. Wade Phillips is a known commodity at DC, and as of right now, available. So, all things equal, the question becomes, do you go with what what promise the defense began showing, or with the established commodity?[/QUOTE]

No. You TOTALLY missed my point. Wade Phillips isn't coming to the Saints. He has no reason to come to the Saints. I agree completely that when given enough time and the right mix of players, Phillips can put a very good defense on the field. But getting him is a pipe dream. If there was any shot in hell of his coming to the Saints, Dennis Allen would have been on the same bus out of town as Vitt and the others. The Saints would have just as much of a chance of having Bill Belichick becoming their next DC as Phillips.

The "fascination" to which I am referring to is the going on and on about something that has no shot of happening.

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Wade's aspirations could be back as a HC with one of the teams. There are a lot of vacancies right now and he may go that route. In my opinion Wade is an outstanding DC but as HC maybe not so much however his record wasn't too bad except for 2010 with the Cowboys.

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However, when someone else says a comment such as this, you tell them they have no clue about what goes in the Saints organisation and therefore we cannot comment on the matter.

How do you know this has no shot of happening?

Payton is on the hot seat, he may go for broke in an effort to save his job.

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First of all, you are assuming, with no basis, that Payton is on a hot seat. There is absolutely no indication of this. He was given a five year extension AFTER coming of two years 7-9 records. This past season his offensive was once again #1 in the league, but his defense was decimated. Following the week 16 game, Tom Benson came into Payton's post game conference and announced "great coach, great game". That doesn't sound like a coach "on the hot seat". You are basing everything on the danger of his losing his job. That's nowhere close to happening as long as Tom and/or Gayle owns the team.

Secondly, if Payton had any intention of replacing the current DC he would have let him go at the same time as the other coaches. This is common sense.

Thirdly, the Saints have been working on filling out a 4-3 defense since the end of the 2015 season. Would it make any sense to trash all of that work and, once again do exactly what created the 7-9 2014-15 seasons, by starting over from scratch to find the personnel to fit the 3-4 scheme that Wade Phillips uses exclusively? No. That makes no sense whatsoever.