all this talk of howard and joe.......

turbo_dog · 03-19-2005, 05:06 PM

We should just make ONE never ending thread titled JOE HORN.

Tried that and it didn\'t work.
[quote:6710568139]
Hey ssmitty, long time friend. How you been?

And the song was \"don\'t know what you\'ve got (till it\'s gone)\" by Cinderella.

Umm....

STOP LOOKING AT ME, SWAN!

[Edited on 19/3/2005 by BlackandBlue]

long time no see b&b.......actually it was the neighborhood by joni michell. ohhhhhhhhh, the alcohol.................smitty

I think its Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell. Now covered by Counting Crows.

JKool · 03-19-2005, 05:44 PM

We can\'t just re-sign everyone we like, as Kelley correctly pointed out. We simply cannot afford to pay Howard 8 mil. We can get 2-6 players for that amount. It is a luxury to have a superstar backup at DE. Sure you want guys like Bryant (who I believe re-signed with us) and Whitehead to be good, but to pay 8 mil for a guy who isn\'t going to be a certain starter?

I like Howard a lot, but his value to us GIVEN HOW MUCH HE\'LL COST is MUCH higher in a trade.

As for trading Joe, I think the jury is out on whether or not that is a good idea.

I realize that being a \"cap guy\" or being a \"stats guy\" is usually bandied about as a bit of an insult. However, I consider myself to be a bit of both. We cannot afford to keep Joe, Grant, Bentley, McKenzie, and McAllister for much longer if we pay Howard what he wants. Some of these guys, if we\'re going to keep them all, will have to play for less than what they may be worth if there were no cap (or they were on a team that had much more cap space). Re-signing Howard at 8 mil, would mean not being able to pay Joe, McAllister, and McKenzie THIS year. This means that they\'ll be free agents next year, instead of merely increasing their pay by 1 mil each and signing them for 3 years or something like that. It just isn\'t practical to keep Howard at this cost.

It isn\'t like we wouldn\'t want Howard on the roster. He is just too expensive AND we really need a linebacker. We cannot afford the LUXURY of Howard. I wish we could.

03-19-2005, 05:06 PM	#11
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,576	all this talk of howard and joe....... We should just make ONE never ending thread titled JOE HORN. Tried that and it didn\'t work. [quote:6710568139] Hey ssmitty, long time friend. How you been? And the song was \"don\'t know what you\'ve got (till it\'s gone)\" by Cinderella. Umm.... STOP LOOKING AT ME, SWAN! [Edited on 19/3/2005 by BlackandBlue] long time no see b&b.......actually it was the neighborhood by joni michell. ohhhhhhhhh, the alcohol.................smitty I think its Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell. Now covered by Counting Crows.

03-19-2005, 05:44 PM	#12
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	all this talk of howard and joe....... We can\'t just re-sign everyone we like, as Kelley correctly pointed out. We simply cannot afford to pay Howard 8 mil. We can get 2-6 players for that amount. It is a luxury to have a superstar backup at DE. Sure you want guys like Bryant (who I believe re-signed with us) and Whitehead to be good, but to pay 8 mil for a guy who isn\'t going to be a certain starter? I like Howard a lot, but his value to us GIVEN HOW MUCH HE\'LL COST is MUCH higher in a trade. As for trading Joe, I think the jury is out on whether or not that is a good idea. I realize that being a \"cap guy\" or being a \"stats guy\" is usually bandied about as a bit of an insult. However, I consider myself to be a bit of both. We cannot afford to keep Joe, Grant, Bentley, McKenzie, and McAllister for much longer if we pay Howard what he wants. Some of these guys, if we\'re going to keep them all, will have to play for less than what they may be worth if there were no cap (or they were on a team that had much more cap space). Re-signing Howard at 8 mil, would mean not being able to pay Joe, McAllister, and McKenzie THIS year. This means that they\'ll be free agents next year, instead of merely increasing their pay by 1 mil each and signing them for 3 years or something like that. It just isn\'t practical to keep Howard at this cost. It isn\'t like we wouldn\'t want Howard on the roster. He is just too expensive AND we really need a linebacker. We cannot afford the LUXURY of Howard. I wish we could.
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