Good news on Joe Horn!

GoldenTomb · 03-21-2005, 09:09 AM

Horn said he is even willing to include a clause in the deal that would return money to the team if his production doesn\'t merit his pay.

\"If they give me a contract that\'s equal to the top two or three guys in the league and I\'m not producing, then I would be willing to sign on the dotted line to give the money back to the organization,\" Horn said. \"I think that\'s fair.

\"I love New Orleans. I want to retire here. I want them to hang my jersey up in the Superdome one day. I don\'t want to play anywhere else. That\'s why I want to get a deal done. But I want to be paid what I feel I deserve.\"

I dont see anything wrong with that.

Giving the money back doesn\'t help the cap situation this year. It\'s not all about giving him what he feels he deserves.

The best move right NOW would be to move in another direction...at the very latest next year. When you have a used car you don\'t wait for it to break down before you trade it in and get a new car, do you?

WhoDat · 03-21-2005, 09:35 AM

\"If they give me a contract that\'s equal to the top two or three guys in the league and I\'m not producing, then I would be willing to sign on the dotted line to give the money back to the organization,\" Horn said. \"I think that\'s fair.

\"I love New Orleans. I want to retire here. I want them to hang my jersey up in the Superdome one day. I don\'t want to play anywhere else. That\'s why I want to get a deal done. But I want to be paid what I feel I deserve.\"

How can you possibly argue with that? First, it was the guy isn\'t worth top 5 money, even though he\'s produced that way. Then it was, he\'s a me first selfish guy who isn\'t a team player.

Now you\'ve got the guy saying that is he doesn\'t produce like a top 5, he\'ll give money back!!!! Show me two other players in the ENTIRE LEAGUE who have made statements like that... and why does Horn want this?? B/c he loves New Orleans and wants to make sure he gets into camp for his teammates. Bastard! We should just kill him.

GoldenTomb · 03-21-2005, 09:58 AM

\"If they give me a contract that\'s equal to the top two or three guys in the league and I\'m not producing, then I would be willing to sign on the dotted line to give the money back to the organization,\" Horn said. \"I think that\'s fair.

\"I love New Orleans. I want to retire here. I want them to hang my jersey up in the Superdome one day. I don\'t want to play anywhere else. That\'s why I want to get a deal done. But I want to be paid what I feel I deserve.\"

How can you possibly argue with that? First, it was the guy isn\'t worth top 5 money, even though he\'s produced that way. Then it was, he\'s a me first selfish guy who isn\'t a team player.

Now you\'ve got the guy saying that is he doesn\'t produce like a top 5, he\'ll give money back!!!! Show me two other players in the ENTIRE LEAGUE who have made statements like that... and why does Horn want this?? B/c he loves New Orleans and wants to make sure he gets into camp for his teammates. Bastard! We should just kill him.

It\'s not as good of a deal as it sounds. I think it\'s noble of him to propose such a contract, but all it will take is a high ankle sprain for him to change his mind. Like I said before, if he bombs out next year, giving back the money won\'t help us with the cap situation. I would say nay on this deal. If Joe is so certain on his talents, he should sign an incentive-based contract.

Danno · 03-21-2005, 12:57 PM

Bastard! We should just kill him.

Now see, I\'m against that.

JKool · 03-21-2005, 01:05 PM

I agree with Golden Tomb on this: even if Joe gives the money back, it will hurt our cap position.

I\'d like us to re-sign Horn. I\'d like to see him sign the 6 year deal they\'ve been talking about. This will lower our cap space THIS YEAR (although, I\'m not sure what we need it for anymore, now that most of the FAs I like have been signed - maybe they can still get Dyson). Also, the one I saw earlier would give us good cap room next year. We\'d be paying roughly 2 mil for our #1 guy - not too shabby.

I\'m certainly not against alternatives, but (sorry Whodi) as usual it will depend on what we can get as an alternative. I don\'t think we\'ll be getting a 1st (and Mike Williams) for Horn - we can\'t even get a 2nd for Howard.

saintswhodi · 03-21-2005, 01:26 PM

Why is it sorry Whodi? It seems you have yet to read that entire thread to see what we would be offering plus Joe to get a high enough pick for Williams, so it doesn\'t bother me if you shoot it down. You still haven\'t looked at all the facts presented. :P

03-21-2005, 09:09 AM	#11
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Good news on Joe Horn! Horn said he is even willing to include a clause in the deal that would return money to the team if his production doesn\'t merit his pay. \"If they give me a contract that\'s equal to the top two or three guys in the league and I\'m not producing, then I would be willing to sign on the dotted line to give the money back to the organization,\" Horn said. \"I think that\'s fair. \"I love New Orleans. I want to retire here. I want them to hang my jersey up in the Superdome one day. I don\'t want to play anywhere else. That\'s why I want to get a deal done. But I want to be paid what I feel I deserve.\" I dont see anything wrong with that. Giving the money back doesn\'t help the cap situation this year. It\'s not all about giving him what he feels he deserves. The best move right NOW would be to move in another direction...at the very latest next year. When you have a used car you don\'t wait for it to break down before you trade it in and get a new car, do you?
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03-21-2005, 09:35 AM	#12
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Good news on Joe Horn! \"If they give me a contract that\'s equal to the top two or three guys in the league and I\'m not producing, then I would be willing to sign on the dotted line to give the money back to the organization,\" Horn said. \"I think that\'s fair. \"I love New Orleans. I want to retire here. I want them to hang my jersey up in the Superdome one day. I don\'t want to play anywhere else. That\'s why I want to get a deal done. But I want to be paid what I feel I deserve.\" How can you possibly argue with that? First, it was the guy isn\'t worth top 5 money, even though he\'s produced that way. Then it was, he\'s a me first selfish guy who isn\'t a team player. Now you\'ve got the guy saying that is he doesn\'t produce like a top 5, he\'ll give money back!!!! Show me two other players in the ENTIRE LEAGUE who have made statements like that... and why does Horn want this?? B/c he loves New Orleans and wants to make sure he gets into camp for his teammates. Bastard! We should just kill him.
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03-21-2005, 09:58 AM	#13
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Good news on Joe Horn! \"If they give me a contract that\'s equal to the top two or three guys in the league and I\'m not producing, then I would be willing to sign on the dotted line to give the money back to the organization,\" Horn said. \"I think that\'s fair. \"I love New Orleans. I want to retire here. I want them to hang my jersey up in the Superdome one day. I don\'t want to play anywhere else. That\'s why I want to get a deal done. But I want to be paid what I feel I deserve.\" How can you possibly argue with that? First, it was the guy isn\'t worth top 5 money, even though he\'s produced that way. Then it was, he\'s a me first selfish guy who isn\'t a team player. Now you\'ve got the guy saying that is he doesn\'t produce like a top 5, he\'ll give money back!!!! Show me two other players in the ENTIRE LEAGUE who have made statements like that... and why does Horn want this?? B/c he loves New Orleans and wants to make sure he gets into camp for his teammates. Bastard! We should just kill him. It\'s not as good of a deal as it sounds. I think it\'s noble of him to propose such a contract, but all it will take is a high ankle sprain for him to change his mind. Like I said before, if he bombs out next year, giving back the money won\'t help us with the cap situation. I would say nay on this deal. If Joe is so certain on his talents, he should sign an incentive-based contract.
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03-21-2005, 12:57 PM	#14
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Good news on Joe Horn! Bastard! We should just kill him. Now see, I\'m against that.

03-21-2005, 01:05 PM	#15
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Good news on Joe Horn! I agree with Golden Tomb on this: even if Joe gives the money back, it will hurt our cap position. I\'d like us to re-sign Horn. I\'d like to see him sign the 6 year deal they\'ve been talking about. This will lower our cap space THIS YEAR (although, I\'m not sure what we need it for anymore, now that most of the FAs I like have been signed - maybe they can still get Dyson). Also, the one I saw earlier would give us good cap room next year. We\'d be paying roughly 2 mil for our #1 guy - not too shabby. I\'m certainly not against alternatives, but (sorry Whodi) as usual it will depend on what we can get as an alternative. I don\'t think we\'ll be getting a 1st (and Mike Williams) for Horn - we can\'t even get a 2nd for Howard.
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03-21-2005, 01:26 PM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Good news on Joe Horn! Why is it sorry Whodi? It seems you have yet to read that entire thread to see what we would be offering plus Joe to get a high enough pick for Williams, so it doesn\'t bother me if you shoot it down. You still haven\'t looked at all the facts presented. :P