Good news on Joe Horn!

GumboBC · 03-19-2005, 10:33 AM

This is taken off another Saints' message board. Sounds good to me!

Was driving home from Baton Rouge and caught Joe on 870 with Kenny n Kaare. He said that he was ****** off yesterday but slept on it and had a change of heart. His agent and Micky are talking again and he said the talks were upbeat. Said he wanted to be there for Devrey, AB, Donte, Lewis, and the new guys.

WhoDat · 03-19-2005, 11:02 AM

He\'s not really a team player though...

JKool · 03-19-2005, 05:47 PM

That\'s right... Joe is out for only one guy... Joe. That is why he played for like 750,000 last year instead of holding out.

spkb25 · 03-19-2005, 06:39 PM

give him the money. with in reason of course but pay the guy.

spkb25 · 03-19-2005, 06:44 PM

why cant we give him a fair base and let him gain so much of a bonus for 70 catches and more for 80 and the more for 90. and so on. also with td\'s.

i know that would depend on if he would accept it or not. but if you give him a fair base and then give him incentive to mkae more maybe he would take it. maybe pay him top 10 and then give him the chance to get top three money through production. just a thought.

JKool · 03-19-2005, 06:49 PM

Joe is scheduled to get paid 3.8 mil this year (and part of his original bonus is included in his cap number - bring it up to 4.5 or something close to that). This means that we could renegotiate with Joe to pay him 4.5 mil this year WITH NO CHANGE IN OUR CAP NUMBER. Of course, he\'ll want a bonus that will increase his cap number (probably at least 1.5 mil this year). However, there is no reason we can\'t pay him a good deal more, with LITTLE effect on our cap situation.

We\'re not totally screwed when it comes to Joe, so long as he doesn\'t go back (continue?) asking for top 5 money. It looks to me like top 10 is do-able with little cap harm.

Of course, the main problem is that Bentley, Grant, McAllister, and McKenzie are all also due for pay increases - that is where this all gets sticky.

spkb25 · 03-19-2005, 07:02 PM

yeah it does jkool. thats where howard is killing us. unless we can trade him on draft day.

Danno · 03-21-2005, 08:38 AM

He\'s not really a team player though...

Yea, those 15 yard unsportsmanlike look-at-me celebration stunts absolutely scream \"Team Player\"

LKelley67 · 03-21-2005, 08:43 AM

Horn is entering the final year of a three-year contract extension he signed in 2003. The four-time Pro Bowler is scheduled to earn a $3.8 million base salary this season. The Saints would like to re-negotiate the deal to lower his $6.5 million salary cap figure.

tp today, http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...8239279360.xml

SaintSnide · 03-21-2005, 09:00 AM

Horn said he is even willing to include a clause in the deal that would return money to the team if his production doesn\'t merit his pay.

\"If they give me a contract that\'s equal to the top two or three guys in the league and I\'m not producing, then I would be willing to sign on the dotted line to give the money back to the organization,\" Horn said. \"I think that\'s fair.

\"I love New Orleans. I want to retire here. I want them to hang my jersey up in the Superdome one day. I don\'t want to play anywhere else. That\'s why I want to get a deal done. But I want to be paid what I feel I deserve.\"

I dont see anything wrong with that.

03-19-2005, 10:33 AM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Good news on Joe Horn! This is taken off another Saints' message board. Sounds good to me! Was driving home from Baton Rouge and caught Joe on 870 with Kenny n Kaare. He said that he was ****** off yesterday but slept on it and had a change of heart. His agent and Micky are talking again and he said the talks were upbeat. Said he wanted to be there for Devrey, AB, Donte, Lewis, and the new guys.
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03-19-2005, 11:02 AM	#2
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03-19-2005, 05:47 PM	#3
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Good news on Joe Horn! That\'s right... Joe is out for only one guy... Joe. That is why he played for like 750,000 last year instead of holding out.

03-19-2005, 06:39 PM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Good news on Joe Horn! give him the money. with in reason of course but pay the guy.

03-19-2005, 06:44 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Good news on Joe Horn! why cant we give him a fair base and let him gain so much of a bonus for 70 catches and more for 80 and the more for 90. and so on. also with td\'s. i know that would depend on if he would accept it or not. but if you give him a fair base and then give him incentive to mkae more maybe he would take it. maybe pay him top 10 and then give him the chance to get top three money through production. just a thought.

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03-19-2005, 06:49 PM	#6
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Good news on Joe Horn! Joe is scheduled to get paid 3.8 mil this year (and part of his original bonus is included in his cap number - bring it up to 4.5 or something close to that). This means that we could renegotiate with Joe to pay him 4.5 mil this year WITH NO CHANGE IN OUR CAP NUMBER. Of course, he\'ll want a bonus that will increase his cap number (probably at least 1.5 mil this year). However, there is no reason we can\'t pay him a good deal more, with LITTLE effect on our cap situation. We\'re not totally screwed when it comes to Joe, so long as he doesn\'t go back (continue?) asking for top 5 money. It looks to me like top 10 is do-able with little cap harm. Of course, the main problem is that Bentley, Grant, McAllister, and McKenzie are all also due for pay increases - that is where this all gets sticky.
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03-19-2005, 07:02 PM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Good news on Joe Horn! yeah it does jkool. thats where howard is killing us. unless we can trade him on draft day.

03-21-2005, 08:38 AM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Good news on Joe Horn! He\'s not really a team player though... Yea, those 15 yard unsportsmanlike look-at-me celebration stunts absolutely scream \"Team Player\"

03-21-2005, 08:43 AM	#9
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Good news on Joe Horn! Horn is entering the final year of a three-year contract extension he signed in 2003. The four-time Pro Bowler is scheduled to earn a $3.8 million base salary this season. The Saints would like to re-negotiate the deal to lower his $6.5 million salary cap figure. tp today, http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...8239279360.xml

03-21-2005, 09:00 AM	#10
SaintSnide Registered Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pineville Posts: 72	Good news on Joe Horn! Horn said he is even willing to include a clause in the deal that would return money to the team if his production doesn\'t merit his pay. \"If they give me a contract that\'s equal to the top two or three guys in the league and I\'m not producing, then I would be willing to sign on the dotted line to give the money back to the organization,\" Horn said. \"I think that\'s fair. \"I love New Orleans. I want to retire here. I want them to hang my jersey up in the Superdome one day. I don\'t want to play anywhere else. That\'s why I want to get a deal done. But I want to be paid what I feel I deserve.\" I dont see anything wrong with that.
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