Falcons get Hartwell

GumboBC · 03-21-2005, 11:48 AM

Hey, I wanted Hartwell. And I\'m not going to make excuses for a 32nd ranked defense that needed to add some players.

But, have any of you personally spoken to Hartwell? Was he willing to play in New Orleans? Would it have taken more money for Hartwell to play in New Orleans?

Did the Saints already know that Hartwell didn\'t want to play in New Orleans and maybe that\'s why they showed no interest?

Why didn\'t Pierce visit New Orleans?

JKool · 03-21-2005, 11:50 AM

Yeah, it is starting to look bad. ATL\'s defense has improved dramatically this offseason. The Bucs and the Panther\'s defenses are also not too shabby. Apparantly, we think we\'re just going to out gun them with our new smash-mouth running game oriented offense... sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

saintswhodi · 03-21-2005, 11:54 AM

Couldn\'t agree more Kool. And Carolina has gotten help on the o-line and in the secondary, two of their biggest weaknesses. Glad they lost Muhammed, and glad we got Smith from Tampa, but a player like Hartwell would have been a coup for us this off-season.

saintswhodi · 03-21-2005, 11:56 AM

We hear ya Gumbo, but we ain\'t buying it. Haslett himself said none of the LB prospects out there in FA impressed him, does that sound like we went after Hartwell? Come off it for once dude. This was a crucial signing we made no effort for, now we get to see how good he coulda been for us twice a year.

frankeefrank · 03-21-2005, 12:04 PM

Ed Hartwell or Ray Lewis...
How good would watson be with lewis on his side?
Just b/c guys are free agents doesn\'t always mean they are upgrades.

GumboBC · 03-21-2005, 12:09 PM

We hear ya Gumbo, but we ain\'t buying it. Haslett himself said none of the LB prospects out there in FA impressed him, does that sound like we went after Hartwell? Come off it for once dude. This was a crucial signing we made no effort for, now we get to see how good he coulda been for us twice a year.

You\'re stretching it, saintwhodi. Haslett NEVER said he wasn\'t interested in ANY LB in free agency.

We already know that Haslett and co. wanted Pierce. And they still want Dat.

Facts are facts, whodi. Am I wrong?

frankeefrank · 03-21-2005, 12:09 PM

by the way Ricky Williams had a good year in 2002 too.
Perspective.

Hartwell will be cut after the 2006 season.
he\'s too expensive

[Edited on 21/3/2005 by frankeefrank]

Danno · 03-21-2005, 12:13 PM

Maybe he\'s a product of the system, and he\'ll be a cap-busting flop.
Maybe its true that a slowish 3-4 ILB isn\'t a good fit for a 4-3.
Maybe its true that most high-dollar free-agents aren\'t worth the money.

I don\'t know, but my gut tells me this is really bad news for us. REALLY REALLY BAD

saintswhodi · 03-21-2005, 12:16 PM

Um, Haslett made that statement after they already lost Pierce.

Might wanna check your timeframe Gumbo my man.

Also MikeD, the guy you bashed, was the one who mentioned that about Pierce. I asked Jarrod Breaux and he said he never heard anything about us having gone after Pierce.

[Edited on 21/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

[Edited on 21/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

GumboBC · 03-21-2005, 12:20 PM

Um, Haslett made that statement after they already lost Pierce. Might wanna check your timeframe Gumbo my man.

[Edited on 21/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

If you say so, whodi. But that still doesn\'t change the FACT that the Saints\' are trying to get MLB Dat Nygen.

You make it sound like Haslett and co. are content with who they have now.

And that\'s strectching it way too far, whodi. Let\'s just stick to the facts and not let frustration get the best of us.

03-21-2005, 11:48 AM	#11
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Falcons get Hartwell Hey, I wanted Hartwell. And I\'m not going to make excuses for a 32nd ranked defense that needed to add some players. But, have any of you personally spoken to Hartwell? Was he willing to play in New Orleans? Would it have taken more money for Hartwell to play in New Orleans? Did the Saints already know that Hartwell didn\'t want to play in New Orleans and maybe that\'s why they showed no interest? Why didn\'t Pierce visit New Orleans?
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03-21-2005, 11:50 AM	#12
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Falcons get Hartwell Yeah, it is starting to look bad. ATL\'s defense has improved dramatically this offseason. The Bucs and the Panther\'s defenses are also not too shabby. Apparantly, we think we\'re just going to out gun them with our new smash-mouth running game oriented offense... sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

03-21-2005, 11:54 AM	#13
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Falcons get Hartwell Couldn\'t agree more Kool. And Carolina has gotten help on the o-line and in the secondary, two of their biggest weaknesses. Glad they lost Muhammed, and glad we got Smith from Tampa, but a player like Hartwell would have been a coup for us this off-season.

03-21-2005, 11:56 AM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Falcons get Hartwell We hear ya Gumbo, but we ain\'t buying it. Haslett himself said none of the LB prospects out there in FA impressed him, does that sound like we went after Hartwell? Come off it for once dude. This was a crucial signing we made no effort for, now we get to see how good he coulda been for us twice a year.

03-21-2005, 12:04 PM	#15
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Falcons get Hartwell Ed Hartwell or Ray Lewis... How good would watson be with lewis on his side? Just b/c guys are free agents doesn\'t always mean they are upgrades.
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03-21-2005, 12:09 PM	#16
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Falcons get Hartwell We hear ya Gumbo, but we ain\'t buying it. Haslett himself said none of the LB prospects out there in FA impressed him, does that sound like we went after Hartwell? Come off it for once dude. This was a crucial signing we made no effort for, now we get to see how good he coulda been for us twice a year. You\'re stretching it, saintwhodi. Haslett NEVER said he wasn\'t interested in ANY LB in free agency. We already know that Haslett and co. wanted Pierce. And they still want Dat. Facts are facts, whodi. Am I wrong?
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03-21-2005, 12:09 PM	#17
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Falcons get Hartwell by the way Ricky Williams had a good year in 2002 too. Perspective. Hartwell will be cut after the 2006 season. he\'s too expensive [Edited on 21/3/2005 by frankeefrank]
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03-21-2005, 12:13 PM	#18
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Falcons get Hartwell Maybe he\'s a product of the system, and he\'ll be a cap-busting flop. Maybe its true that a slowish 3-4 ILB isn\'t a good fit for a 4-3. Maybe its true that most high-dollar free-agents aren\'t worth the money. I don\'t know, but my gut tells me this is really bad news for us. REALLY REALLY BAD

03-21-2005, 12:16 PM	#19
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Falcons get Hartwell Um, Haslett made that statement after they already lost Pierce. Might wanna check your timeframe Gumbo my man. Also MikeD, the guy you bashed, was the one who mentioned that about Pierce. I asked Jarrod Breaux and he said he never heard anything about us having gone after Pierce. [Edited on 21/3/2005 by saintswhodi] [Edited on 21/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

03-21-2005, 12:20 PM	#20
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Falcons get Hartwell Um, Haslett made that statement after they already lost Pierce. Might wanna check your timeframe Gumbo my man. [Edited on 21/3/2005 by saintswhodi] If you say so, whodi. But that still doesn\'t change the FACT that the Saints\' are trying to get MLB Dat Nygen. You make it sound like Haslett and co. are content with who they have now. And that\'s strectching it way too far, whodi. Let\'s just stick to the facts and not let frustration get the best of us.
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