Saints Will Release Jairus Byrd

jeanpierre · 03-01-2017, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Another poor decision...
The signing wasn't bad, no one knew for certain that Byrd would have so many issues. However, cutting the guy when he finally gets health seems idiotic. Should have just restructured and cut loses next year if it didn't pan out...

Why is it idiotic? At one point Vonn Bell was inserted for Byrd even though Byrd was healthy.

Why pay that money to a player who's in a reduced role or even benched? Now that would be idiotic.

We're finally seeing this front office get its proverbial act together because 3 7-9 finishes has them on notice.

If we continue to see the improvement with regards to Draft Management and Scouting, we should see that 7-9 mark improve as well as the talent improves...

K Major · 03-01-2017, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

At one point Vonn Bell was inserted for Byrd even though Byrd is supposedly healthy.

Bell was border line bad last year. Rookie lumps? Maybe... JP, man I hope you are right but it's a risk. Moves like this make me wonder if the Saints FO is clearing cap space to make a "splash" on spending more than necessary in FA.

ScottF · 03-01-2017, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Bell was border line bad last year. Rookie lumps? Maybe... JP, man I hope you are right but it's a risk. Moves like this make me wonder if the Saints FO is clearing cap space to make a "splash" on spending more than necessary in FA.

agree, but no one (including Loomis) has any idea what the market price will be for Fairley, Zeitler, Peterson, or hell, even Romo. Clearing another 3 million seems like a pittance for losing a player like Byrd.
My thought is, why gamble for another 3-4 million when you have 30 million to use now?

K Major · 03-01-2017, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

agree, but no one (including Loomis) has any idea what the market price will be for Fairley, Zeitler, Peterson, or hell, even Romo.

The real question is who in the heck are the Browns going to spend all that money on with all of the big names coming off the market/getting tagged

?

jeanpierre · 03-01-2017, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Bell was border line bad last year. Rookie lumps? Maybe... JP, man I hope you are right but it's a risk. Moves like this make me wonder if the Saints FO is clearing cap space to make a "splash" on spending more than necessary in FA.

From a cap standpoint, when Byrd was a healthy bench, he was done; and I believe you play rookies and let them get real experience, not practice for three years...
Maybe coaches knew they didn't have a contender so they went with Bell, who I admit, I didn't like the pick (two picks for one)...

And though Bell didn't grade well, I saw some pop and energy I hadn't seen at the position for the Saints since the other Bush left for Detroit...

Just know that Jairus Byrd aka Roger Dorn wasn't getting it done; why pay that money when we're still were last in passing defense?

K Major · 03-01-2017, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Just know that Jairus Byrd aka Roger Dorn wasn't getting it done; why pay that money when we're still were last in passing defense?

While I agree JB wasn't getting done, I will say he didn't have the supporting cast around him. It's difficult for a FS to succeed when the secondary around him is weak & he's playing a role that doesn't fit his ability.

saintfan · 03-01-2017, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

From a cap standpoint, when Byrd was a healthy bench, he was done; and I believe you play rookies and let them get real experience, not practice for three years...
Maybe coaches knew they didn't have a contender so they went with Bell, who I admit, I didn't like the pick (two picks for one)...

And though Bell didn't grade well, I saw some pop and energy I hadn't seen at the position for the Saints since the other Bush left for Detroit...

Just know that Jairus Byrd aka Roger Dorn wasn't getting it done; why pay that money when we're still were last in passing defense?

lee909 · 03-01-2017, 09:09 AM

Why are people saying its freed up 3ml
The chances are it will be a post June 1st cut and save 7ml+ this season

ScottF · 03-01-2017, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Why are people saying its freed up 3ml
The chances are it will be a post June 1st cut and save 7ml+ this season

The league allows each team to designate up to two players per year as a June 1 cut for cap purposes prior to June 1. It’s the one concession that was given to the players as it allows a player to be cut in March and have time to explore free agency but have his cap hit spread out over two seasons, thus creating more cap space in the current year. The issue though is the mechanism by which this works.

When you designate someone as a June 1 cut the player and his current contract remain on the books until June 1.

yes, we could get 7.2 freed this year, but that means we carry an extra $4 million into next year. It's deferred, but not eliminated. We are arguing that since we already have $30, why do we need more right now?

jnormand · 03-01-2017, 09:14 AM

The guy finally gets healthy and we prematurely cut him. Restructure at the least. Bell didn't look ready.

03-01-2017, 08:27 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Will Release Jairus Byrd Originally Posted by blackangold Another poor decision... The signing wasn't bad, no one knew for certain that Byrd would have so many issues. However, cutting the guy when he finally gets health seems idiotic. Should have just restructured and cut loses next year if it didn't pan out... Why is it idiotic? At one point Vonn Bell was inserted for Byrd even though Byrd was healthy. Why pay that money to a player who's in a reduced role or even benched? Now that would be idiotic. We're finally seeing this front office get its proverbial act together because 3 7-9 finishes has them on notice. If we continue to see the improvement with regards to Draft Management and Scouting, we should see that 7-9 mark improve as well as the talent improves... RockyMountainSaint, ChrisXVI, Sarik and 1 others like this.
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03-01-2017, 08:30 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Will Release Jairus Byrd Originally Posted by jeanpierre At one point Vonn Bell was inserted for Byrd even though Byrd is supposedly healthy. Bell was border line bad last year. Rookie lumps? Maybe... JP, man I hope you are right but it's a risk. Moves like this make me wonder if the Saints FO is clearing cap space to make a "splash" on spending more than necessary in FA. Rsanders24 likes this.

03-01-2017, 08:36 AM	#3
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints Will Release Jairus Byrd Originally Posted by K Major Bell was border line bad last year. Rookie lumps? Maybe... JP, man I hope you are right but it's a risk. Moves like this make me wonder if the Saints FO is clearing cap space to make a "splash" on spending more than necessary in FA. agree, but no one (including Loomis) has any idea what the market price will be for Fairley, Zeitler, Peterson, or hell, even Romo. Clearing another 3 million seems like a pittance for losing a player like Byrd. My thought is, why gamble for another 3-4 million when you have 30 million to use now? jnormand, Danno, Rsanders24 and 1 others like this.

03-01-2017, 08:54 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Will Release Jairus Byrd Originally Posted by ScottF agree, but no one (including Loomis) has any idea what the market price will be for Fairley, Zeitler, Peterson, or hell, even Romo. The real question is who in the heck are the Browns going to spend all that money on with all of the big names coming off the market/getting tagged ? Beastmode and ChrisXVI like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Will Release Jairus Byrd Originally Posted by K Major Bell was border line bad last year. Rookie lumps? Maybe... JP, man I hope you are right but it's a risk. Moves like this make me wonder if the Saints FO is clearing cap space to make a "splash" on spending more than necessary in FA. From a cap standpoint, when Byrd was a healthy bench, he was done; and I believe you play rookies and let them get real experience, not practice for three years... Maybe coaches knew they didn't have a contender so they went with Bell, who I admit, I didn't like the pick (two picks for one)... And though Bell didn't grade well, I saw some pop and energy I hadn't seen at the position for the Saints since the other Bush left for Detroit... Just know that Jairus Byrd aka Roger Dorn wasn't getting it done; why pay that money when we're still were last in passing defense? saintfan, jnormand, ChrisXVI and 2 others like this.
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03-01-2017, 03:41 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Will Release Jairus Byrd Originally Posted by jeanpierre Just know that Jairus Byrd aka Roger Dorn wasn't getting it done; why pay that money when we're still were last in passing defense? While I agree JB wasn't getting done, I will say he didn't have the supporting cast around him. It's difficult for a FS to succeed when the secondary around him is weak & he's playing a role that doesn't fit his ability. halloween 65 likes this.

03-01-2017, 04:19 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Will Release Jairus Byrd Originally Posted by jeanpierre From a cap standpoint, when Byrd was a healthy bench, he was done; and I believe you play rookies and let them get real experience, not practice for three years... Maybe coaches knew they didn't have a contender so they went with Bell, who I admit, I didn't like the pick (two picks for one)... And though Bell didn't grade well, I saw some pop and energy I hadn't seen at the position for the Saints since the other Bush left for Detroit... Just know that Jairus Byrd aka Roger Dorn wasn't getting it done; why pay that money when we're still were last in passing defense?

03-01-2017, 09:09 AM	#8
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Will Release Jairus Byrd Why are people saying its freed up 3ml The chances are it will be a post June 1st cut and save 7ml+ this season

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints Will Release Jairus Byrd Originally Posted by lee909 Why are people saying its freed up 3ml The chances are it will be a post June 1st cut and save 7ml+ this season The league allows each team to designate up to two players per year as a June 1 cut for cap purposes prior to June 1. It’s the one concession that was given to the players as it allows a player to be cut in March and have time to explore free agency but have his cap hit spread out over two seasons, thus creating more cap space in the current year. The issue though is the mechanism by which this works. When you designate someone as a June 1 cut the player and his current contract remain on the books until June 1. yes, we could get 7.2 freed this year, but that means we carry an extra $4 million into next year. It's deferred, but not eliminated. We are arguing that since we already have $30, why do we need more right now?

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,759	Re: Saints Will Release Jairus Byrd The guy finally gets healthy and we prematurely cut him. Restructure at the least. Bell didn't look ready.

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