Wish Randy Mueller were still here?

saintswhodi · 03-22-2005, 12:25 PM

Cause Mueller traded Ricky to get us two frist round picks since we had Deuce, and Tom I am as stupid as I look Benson got pissed he didn\'t consult him first. It actually has been said Benson bad-mouthed Mueller to many NFL execs and that is what kept him out of a job so long.

Danno · 03-22-2005, 12:26 PM

Not to mention...
1. Losing Willie Roaf
2. Losing LeRoi Glover
3. David Sloan
4. Grady Jackson
5. Joe Johnson
6. Brian Cox
7. Charlie Clemons
8. Darren Smith

AND DON\'T FORGET THESE GEMS...
Tutan Reyes
Austin Wheatley
Chad Morton
Michael Hawthorne
Sherrod Gideon
Sedrick Hodge
Kenny Smith
Moran Norris
Onome Ojo
Mitch White
Ennis Davis

I wonder why he\'s still unemployed?

WhoDat · 03-22-2005, 12:27 PM

So why did they replace Randy with this nerdy Loomis character?

Officially? Benson claims to want to be involved in the decision making (\"hands on\" he said), and Mueller was making decisions without consulting him.

The rumor is that Loomis and Mueller didn\'t get along (probably b/c Mueller knew that talent costs money), and so Loomis stabbed Mueller in the back. In a feud b/w the two, it was easy for Benson. A guy who went on to stand in his wedding (Loomis), or just a guy who was making decisions without him (Mueller)??? Easy. Wrong, but easy.

GumboBC · 03-22-2005, 12:30 PM

Officially? Benson claims to want to be involved in the decision making (\"hands on\" he said), and Mueller was making decisions without consulting him.

Geez dude. Why do you want to spread crap like that?

Correct me if I\'m wrong, WhoDat ... but I believe Benson said he wanted to be INFORMED of major decisions, like the Ricky Williams trade, before they went down.

Quit making stuff up, WhoDat. Or stretching it or whatever you\'re trying to do.

WhoDat · 03-22-2005, 12:35 PM

\"In some cases, decisions were made without me,\" Benson said during a news conference.

As an example, he cited the March trade that sent running back Ricky Williams to the Miami Dolphins. Benson said he was informed that Mueller was working on the deal, but that he \"found out about the rest of it about the time that we did it.\"

Afterward, Mueller disputed Benson\'s claims, telling The Associated Press that he \"discussed everything\" with the owner.

At this point, I\'m not sure how much that actually matters. There is always a certain amount of \"he said/he said\" in cases like these. There is always going to be conflicting information which, to all of us who were not part of the day-to-day dealings between these men, creates a murky sense of what \"really happened.\"

I\'ve heard speculation that Mueller\'s ouster was the result of a power struggle with another executive with the club. I\'ve heard speculation that Mueller forced Benson\'s hand in order to land a job that he coveted much more than the one he had -- the vacant general manager spot with the Atlanta Falcons -- and for which he interviewed after the Super Bowl.

Gee, I dunno. Some two-bit outpost called NFL.com.

Let\'s see Billy - sure looks like this article directly contradicts what you just said. I\'m sure that you have some proof to support your view though, right? LOL.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NO/5319539

[Edited on 22/3/2005 by WhoDat]

GumboBC · 03-22-2005, 12:41 PM

\"In some cases, decisions were made without me,\" Benson said during a news conference.

Benson said he was informed that Mueller was working on the deal, but that he \"found out about the rest of it about the time that we did it.\"

WhoDat --

Where in there does it say that Benson wanted to be \"hands-on\" when making trades?

I think the article just reinforces what I said. Which was ... Meuller went ahead with the trade without letting Benson know.

Hell, Benson is just the damn OWNER. Why would that fool want to know anything.

Quit making stuff up, WhoDat. You just proved me right.

[Edited on 22/3/2005 by GumboBC]

WhoDat · 03-22-2005, 12:44 PM

Sure Billy, sure dear.

WhoDat · 03-22-2005, 12:52 PM

Hey quick question: why does what Mueller did in 2000 or 2001 matter? You\'re dwelling on the past. What matters is only what Mueller COULD do this year - right? LOL

saintz08 · 03-22-2005, 12:54 PM

Quit making stuff up, WhoDat. You just proved me right

:shockedbig:

Yeah , and who gave Saintfan that great quote ????

Mr. Kettle meet Mr. Pot ......

inkele:

shadowdrinker · 03-22-2005, 01:57 PM

Realistically, Both guys have done a good job...they have both had hits and flops...

I like Loomis..He can manage the cap very well, that means alot...

Loomis really has a tough job...The owner openly bashes his own team...and I think we are still going to see some ripple effects of that even into this new year...

All and all...I am happy with Loomis\' performance..We are known as having one of the very elite teams as far as young talent go...That has to be credited to him...

And we are still able to adjust, and sign guys as we need..and we aren\'t getting any stress from the cap..and that helps in many ways...

IF we can just get it together as far as player production goes..we will be in such good shape...

I liked Meuller too..He was a likable guy..and He is capable of running any team well in my opinion..But, somehow, Noone has even tried to hire him...???

I\'m not trying to compare the two..they are two totally differet kind of GM\'s...Randy was a good player guy, Mickey is a great cap guy...Both are essential traits...both are good GM\'s

03-22-2005, 12:25 PM	#11
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Wish Randy Mueller were still here? Cause Mueller traded Ricky to get us two frist round picks since we had Deuce, and Tom I am as stupid as I look Benson got pissed he didn\'t consult him first. It actually has been said Benson bad-mouthed Mueller to many NFL execs and that is what kept him out of a job so long.

03-22-2005, 12:26 PM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Wish Randy Mueller were still here? Not to mention... 1. Losing Willie Roaf 2. Losing LeRoi Glover 3. David Sloan 4. Grady Jackson 5. Joe Johnson 6. Brian Cox 7. Charlie Clemons 8. Darren Smith AND DON\'T FORGET THESE GEMS... Tutan Reyes Austin Wheatley Chad Morton Michael Hawthorne Sherrod Gideon Sedrick Hodge Kenny Smith Moran Norris Onome Ojo Mitch White Ennis Davis I wonder why he\'s still unemployed?

03-22-2005, 12:27 PM	#13
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Wish Randy Mueller were still here? So why did they replace Randy with this nerdy Loomis character? Officially? Benson claims to want to be involved in the decision making (\"hands on\" he said), and Mueller was making decisions without consulting him. The rumor is that Loomis and Mueller didn\'t get along (probably b/c Mueller knew that talent costs money), and so Loomis stabbed Mueller in the back. In a feud b/w the two, it was easy for Benson. A guy who went on to stand in his wedding (Loomis), or just a guy who was making decisions without him (Mueller)??? Easy. Wrong, but easy.
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03-22-2005, 12:30 PM	#14
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Wish Randy Mueller were still here? Officially? Benson claims to want to be involved in the decision making (\"hands on\" he said), and Mueller was making decisions without consulting him. Geez dude. Why do you want to spread crap like that? Correct me if I\'m wrong, WhoDat ... but I believe Benson said he wanted to be INFORMED of major decisions, like the Ricky Williams trade, before they went down. Quit making stuff up, WhoDat. Or stretching it or whatever you\'re trying to do.
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03-22-2005, 12:35 PM	#15
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Wish Randy Mueller were still here? \"In some cases, decisions were made without me,\" Benson said during a news conference. As an example, he cited the March trade that sent running back Ricky Williams to the Miami Dolphins. Benson said he was informed that Mueller was working on the deal, but that he \"found out about the rest of it about the time that we did it.\" Afterward, Mueller disputed Benson\'s claims, telling The Associated Press that he \"discussed everything\" with the owner. At this point, I\'m not sure how much that actually matters. There is always a certain amount of \"he said/he said\" in cases like these. There is always going to be conflicting information which, to all of us who were not part of the day-to-day dealings between these men, creates a murky sense of what \"really happened.\" I\'ve heard speculation that Mueller\'s ouster was the result of a power struggle with another executive with the club. I\'ve heard speculation that Mueller forced Benson\'s hand in order to land a job that he coveted much more than the one he had -- the vacant general manager spot with the Atlanta Falcons -- and for which he interviewed after the Super Bowl. Gee, I dunno. Some two-bit outpost called NFL.com. Let\'s see Billy - sure looks like this article directly contradicts what you just said. I\'m sure that you have some proof to support your view though, right? LOL. http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NO/5319539 [Edited on 22/3/2005 by WhoDat]
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GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Wish Randy Mueller were still here? \"In some cases, decisions were made without me,\" Benson said during a news conference. Benson said he was informed that Mueller was working on the deal, but that he \"found out about the rest of it about the time that we did it.\" WhoDat -- Where in there does it say that Benson wanted to be \"hands-on\" when making trades? I think the article just reinforces what I said. Which was ... Meuller went ahead with the trade without letting Benson know. Hell, Benson is just the damn OWNER. Why would that fool want to know anything. Quit making stuff up, WhoDat. You just proved me right. [Edited on 22/3/2005 by GumboBC]
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Wish Randy Mueller were still here? Sure Billy, sure dear.
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Wish Randy Mueller were still here? Hey quick question: why does what Mueller did in 2000 or 2001 matter? You\'re dwelling on the past. What matters is only what Mueller COULD do this year - right? LOL
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saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Wish Randy Mueller were still here? Quit making stuff up, WhoDat. You just proved me right :shockedbig: Yeah , and who gave Saintfan that great quote ???? Mr. Kettle meet Mr. Pot ...... inkele:
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03-22-2005, 01:57 PM	#20
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Wish Randy Mueller were still here? Realistically, Both guys have done a good job...they have both had hits and flops... I like Loomis..He can manage the cap very well, that means alot... Loomis really has a tough job...The owner openly bashes his own team...and I think we are still going to see some ripple effects of that even into this new year... All and all...I am happy with Loomis\' performance..We are known as having one of the very elite teams as far as young talent go...That has to be credited to him... And we are still able to adjust, and sign guys as we need..and we aren\'t getting any stress from the cap..and that helps in many ways... IF we can just get it together as far as player production goes..we will be in such good shape... I liked Meuller too..He was a likable guy..and He is capable of running any team well in my opinion..But, somehow, Noone has even tried to hire him...??? I\'m not trying to compare the two..they are two totally differet kind of GM\'s...Randy was a good player guy, Mickey is a great cap guy...Both are essential traits...both are good GM\'s
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