Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE.

Euphoria · 03-11-2017, 12:10 PM

Patriots will lose the fourth-rounder they get from the Saints | ProFootballTalk

See smart teams figure this crap out. Trade back that 4th pick and get something for it. It means nothing to NE they lose it.

halloween 65 · 03-11-2017, 12:39 PM

Question is will they be smart enough to do it?

nola_swammi · 03-11-2017, 01:14 PM

That's a great idea and it will benefit a team to take it BUT what will the offer be? Hopefully, the Texans offer a 4th and 6th.

MatthewT · 03-13-2017, 05:23 AM

Hard to believe no one wanted to move up, or did the Saints even try??? Even for a 7th round pick in the 2021 draft, or something???

dizzle88 · 03-13-2017, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Patriots will lose the fourth-rounder they get from the Saints | ProFootballTalk

See smart teams figure this crap out. Trade back that 4th pick and get something for it. It means nothing to NE they lose it.

The Patriots knew this would happen so they got rid of a pick they would have never had in the first place, smart move by them and a rather idiotic move by us.

What else is new on the Mickey & Sean show?

AsylumGuido · 03-13-2017, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The Patriots knew this would happen so they got rid of a pick they would have never had in the first place, smart move by them and a rather idiotic move by us.

What else is new on the Mickey & Sean show?

Why idiotic? If that was the only way they were going to make the deal then it had to happen. The Saints got as much as they could for Cooks in an attempt to improve the defense. Could it have been better? Yes, but only if the Patriots were willing to make it better, which they obviously weren't. Besides, what difference does it make to the Saints what happens to the pick they moved as part of the deal? It certainly makes no difference whatsoever in my mind.

burningmetal · 03-13-2017, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Why idiotic? If that was the only way they were going to make the deal then it had to happen. The Saints got as much as they could for Cooks in an attempt to improve the defense. Could it have been better? Yes, but only if the Patriots were willing to make it better, which they obviously weren't. Besides, what difference does it make to the Saints what happens to the pick they moved as part of the deal? It certainly makes no difference whatsoever in my mind.

I'm not so sure that the Saints got all they could for Cooks, when they still had a month, or so, before the draft. This seemed like an awful quick trigger on a not so good deal.

It doesn't speak well of our front office when they get fleeced on deals while other teams are making out on their deals. The Titans, whether or not they ever win again, have gotten huge value in trade deals the last couple of years. It seems to me that if you stand your ground long enough, teams will crack, if they really want a player or draft pick bad enough. The Saints have a propensity to cave in on contract demands and trades. Not every time (I liked what they did on the first day of free agency a lot, aside from Ginn, who I am indifferent about), but far too often. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: These guys keep getting free passes because of that Superbowl. That was an awesome accomplishment. But I think there would be a lot more wide spread criticism for how things have played out since then, if not for that championship.

At least they did make a couple of nice moves the other day, including finally getting some guard help.

AsylumGuido · 03-13-2017, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm not so sure that the Saints got all they could for Cooks, when they still had a month, or so, before the draft. This seemed like an awful quick trigger on a not so good deal.

It doesn't speak well of our front office when they get fleeced on deals while other teams are making out on their deals. The Titans, whether or not they ever win again, have gotten huge value in trade deals the last couple of years. It seems to me that if you stand your ground long enough, teams will crack, if they really want a player or draft pick bad enough. The Saints have a propensity to cave in on contract demands and trades. Not every time (I liked what they did on the first day of free agency a lot, aside from Ginn, who I am indifferent about), but far too often. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: These guys keep getting free passes because of that Superbowl. That was an awesome accomplishment. But I think there would be a lot more wide spread criticism for how things have played out since then, if not for that championship.

At least they did make a couple of nice moves the other day, including finally getting some guard help.

First of all, they were facing a deadline of Cooks' roster bonus, $781,599, which would have taken affect today. Now New England is responsible for it.

Secondly, they didn't get fleeced. They got what the market would bear. Cooks is going to be demanding a huge contract soon and his importance to the Saints offense wasn't worth it. No team other than the Patriots were willing to deal with that factor. The Saints got an additional first rounder with a fifth year option and moved up at least 15 spots from the 4th to the 3rd.

lee909 · 03-13-2017, 08:16 AM

Why where the front office stupid for that

Yes they could have made another trade but that means moving backwards in round 4 to maybe get a 5th or 6th rounder

How stupid would you look on draft night if someone fell to that pick and you missed them. There is nothing stopping them doing the same trade back and gaining picks in draft night.

So what the Pats now dont loose there early 4th rounder. We have the comp pick in round 3.

I dont get this whinging that Oh the Saints have made the Pats better. When you have not got out the division in 3 years thats the first focus

AsylumGuido · 03-13-2017, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Why where the front office stupid for that

Yes they could have made another trade but that means moving backwards in round 4 to maybe get a 5th or 6th rounder

How stupid would you look on draft night if someone fell to that pick and you missed them. There is nothing stopping them doing the same trade back and gaining picks in draft night.

So what the Pats now dont loose there early 4th rounder. We have the comp pick in round 3.

I dont get this whinging that Oh the Saints have made the Pats better. When you have not got out the division in 3 years thats the first focus

Some people simply want something gripe and moan about, lee. There doesn't have to be anything pertaining to logic involved.

03-11-2017, 12:10 PM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Patriots will lose the fourth-rounder they get from the Saints \| ProFootballTalk See smart teams figure this crap out. Trade back that 4th pick and get something for it. It means nothing to NE they lose it.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Question is will they be smart enough to do it?

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nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. That's a great idea and it will benefit a team to take it BUT what will the offer be? Hopefully, the Texans offer a 4th and 6th.

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MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Hard to believe no one wanted to move up, or did the Saints even try??? Even for a 7th round pick in the 2021 draft, or something???

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by Euphoria Patriots will lose the fourth-rounder they get from the Saints \| ProFootballTalk See smart teams figure this crap out. Trade back that 4th pick and get something for it. It means nothing to NE they lose it. The Patriots knew this would happen so they got rid of a pick they would have never had in the first place, smart move by them and a rather idiotic move by us. What else is new on the Mickey & Sean show? MatthewT and Rsanders24 like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by dizzle88 The Patriots knew this would happen so they got rid of a pick they would have never had in the first place, smart move by them and a rather idiotic move by us. What else is new on the Mickey & Sean show? Why idiotic? If that was the only way they were going to make the deal then it had to happen. The Saints got as much as they could for Cooks in an attempt to improve the defense. Could it have been better? Yes, but only if the Patriots were willing to make it better, which they obviously weren't. Besides, what difference does it make to the Saints what happens to the pick they moved as part of the deal? It certainly makes no difference whatsoever in my mind. CheramieIII and saintsfan1976 like this.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why idiotic? If that was the only way they were going to make the deal then it had to happen. The Saints got as much as they could for Cooks in an attempt to improve the defense. Could it have been better? Yes, but only if the Patriots were willing to make it better, which they obviously weren't. Besides, what difference does it make to the Saints what happens to the pick they moved as part of the deal? It certainly makes no difference whatsoever in my mind. I'm not so sure that the Saints got all they could for Cooks, when they still had a month, or so, before the draft. This seemed like an awful quick trigger on a not so good deal. It doesn't speak well of our front office when they get fleeced on deals while other teams are making out on their deals. The Titans, whether or not they ever win again, have gotten huge value in trade deals the last couple of years. It seems to me that if you stand your ground long enough, teams will crack, if they really want a player or draft pick bad enough. The Saints have a propensity to cave in on contract demands and trades. Not every time (I liked what they did on the first day of free agency a lot, aside from Ginn, who I am indifferent about), but far too often. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: These guys keep getting free passes because of that Superbowl. That was an awesome accomplishment. But I think there would be a lot more wide spread criticism for how things have played out since then, if not for that championship. At least they did make a couple of nice moves the other day, including finally getting some guard help.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm not so sure that the Saints got all they could for Cooks, when they still had a month, or so, before the draft. This seemed like an awful quick trigger on a not so good deal. It doesn't speak well of our front office when they get fleeced on deals while other teams are making out on their deals. The Titans, whether or not they ever win again, have gotten huge value in trade deals the last couple of years. It seems to me that if you stand your ground long enough, teams will crack, if they really want a player or draft pick bad enough. The Saints have a propensity to cave in on contract demands and trades. Not every time (I liked what they did on the first day of free agency a lot, aside from Ginn, who I am indifferent about), but far too often. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: These guys keep getting free passes because of that Superbowl. That was an awesome accomplishment. But I think there would be a lot more wide spread criticism for how things have played out since then, if not for that championship. At least they did make a couple of nice moves the other day, including finally getting some guard help. First of all, they were facing a deadline of Cooks' roster bonus, $781,599, which would have taken affect today. Now New England is responsible for it. Secondly, they didn't get fleeced. They got what the market would bear. Cooks is going to be demanding a huge contract soon and his importance to the Saints offense wasn't worth it. No team other than the Patriots were willing to deal with that factor. The Saints got an additional first rounder with a fifth year option and moved up at least 15 spots from the 4th to the 3rd.

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Why where the front office stupid for that Yes they could have made another trade but that means moving backwards in round 4 to maybe get a 5th or 6th rounder How stupid would you look on draft night if someone fell to that pick and you missed them. There is nothing stopping them doing the same trade back and gaining picks in draft night. So what the Pats now dont loose there early 4th rounder. We have the comp pick in round 3. I dont get this whinging that Oh the Saints have made the Pats better. When you have not got out the division in 3 years thats the first focus
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints can get something before sending 4th pick to NE. Originally Posted by lee909 Why where the front office stupid for that Yes they could have made another trade but that means moving backwards in round 4 to maybe get a 5th or 6th rounder How stupid would you look on draft night if someone fell to that pick and you missed them. There is nothing stopping them doing the same trade back and gaining picks in draft night. So what the Pats now dont loose there early 4th rounder. We have the comp pick in round 3. I dont get this whinging that Oh the Saints have made the Pats better. When you have not got out the division in 3 years thats the first focus Some people simply want something gripe and moan about, lee. There doesn't have to be anything pertaining to logic involved.

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