Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee

WillSaints81 · 03-21-2017, 08:05 PM

Was this some planned move by the FO to do a "half-assed" trade? I'm sick of Payton and his Belichik ball washing.

dizzle88 · 03-21-2017, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Then why didn't the saints agree to that in the first place. Butler is not worth Cooks straight up. Butler is overrated.

Have you read any of the butler threads at all? Butler is a restricted free agent. It's not as easy as just signing him when he visits. The Saints couldn't sign Butler until his tender was set by the Patriots, he isn't signed by the pats yet and we have to be careful and work out a trade that works for both teams.

I personally hope we keep both 1st round picks.

saintfan · 03-21-2017, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Have you read any of the butler threads at all? Butler is a restricted free agent. It's not as easy as just signing him when he visits. The Saints couldn't sign Butler until his tender was set by the Patriots, now it's set we have to be careful and work out a trade that works for both teams.

I personally hope we keep both 1st round picks.

I won't die off if we lose 32, but for me it's insane to even consider 11.

AsylumGuido · 03-21-2017, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Then why didn't the saints agree to that in the first place. Butler is not worth Cooks straight up. Butler is overrated.

Because Butler isn't signed so the Pats can't trade at this point. Catch up, Will(insert team name here)81.

dizzle88 · 03-21-2017, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I won't die off if we lose 32, but for me it's insane to even consider 11.

Absolutely right, giving up the #11 pick would be absurd. I'd rather keep both but I could handle giving the #32, I just think the Pats will try and screw us any way they can.

WillSaints81 · 03-21-2017, 10:23 PM

Yet we were not happy when we traded Cooks for the last pick in the first round. Now, we're gonna trade Cooks for another system player(we have already seen the history Browner, Gay, Hicks, that saints guy that won the sb with pats).

WhoDat!656 · 03-25-2017, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Was this some planned move by the FO to do a "half-assed" trade? I'm sick of Payton and his Belichik ball washing.

Plumbing has already been installed!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-25-2017, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Then why didn't the saints agree to that in the first place. Butler is not worth Cooks straight up. Butler is overrated.

Butler isn't under contract because he hasn't signed his tender. He cannot be traded unless he's under contract. Cooks was owed a $750K roster bonus the 5th day of the league year, March 13th.

So in short, Cooks needed to be moved immediately, while Butler could not, and still cannot, be moved until he signs.

So that's why your proposal cannot be done.

BTW overrated or underrated, Butler is going to want $12 million+ money to come here. That's overpriced. So I agree that a pass is warranted.

SFIAH

Cruize · 03-26-2017, 02:50 PM

I hope the Saints keep all their picks.

Rugby Saint II · 03-27-2017, 11:29 AM

The Patriots can have this years third and next years fourth or fifth. That's it! If not, then we're drafting two corners in the first two or three rounds.

03-21-2017, 08:08 PM	#12
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Then why didn't the saints agree to that in the first place. Butler is not worth Cooks straight up. Butler is overrated. Have you read any of the butler threads at all? Butler is a restricted free agent. It's not as easy as just signing him when he visits. The Saints couldn't sign Butler until his tender was set by the Patriots, he isn't signed by the pats yet and we have to be careful and work out a trade that works for both teams. I personally hope we keep both 1st round picks. Cruize and SmashMouth like this.

03-21-2017, 08:17 PM	#13
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee Originally Posted by dizzle88 Have you read any of the butler threads at all? Butler is a restricted free agent. It's not as easy as just signing him when he visits. The Saints couldn't sign Butler until his tender was set by the Patriots, now it's set we have to be careful and work out a trade that works for both teams. I personally hope we keep both 1st round picks. I won't die off if we lose 32, but for me it's insane to even consider 11. SmashMouth and dizzle88 like this.

03-21-2017, 08:18 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Then why didn't the saints agree to that in the first place. Butler is not worth Cooks straight up. Butler is overrated. Because Butler isn't signed so the Pats can't trade at this point. Catch up, Will(insert team name here)81.

03-21-2017, 08:21 PM	#15
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee Originally Posted by saintfan I won't die off if we lose 32, but for me it's insane to even consider 11. Absolutely right, giving up the #11 pick would be absurd. I'd rather keep both but I could handle giving the #32, I just think the Pats will try and screw us any way they can.

03-21-2017, 10:23 PM	#16
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee Yet we were not happy when we traded Cooks for the last pick in the first round. Now, we're gonna trade Cooks for another system player(we have already seen the history Browner, Gay, Hicks, that saints guy that won the sb with pats).

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,001	Re: Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Was this some planned move by the FO to do a "half-assed" trade? I'm sick of Payton and his Belichik ball washing. Plumbing has already been installed!

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Then why didn't the saints agree to that in the first place. Butler is not worth Cooks straight up. Butler is overrated. Butler isn't under contract because he hasn't signed his tender. He cannot be traded unless he's under contract. Cooks was owed a $750K roster bonus the 5th day of the league year, March 13th. So in short, Cooks needed to be moved immediately, while Butler could not, and still cannot, be moved until he signs. So that's why your proposal cannot be done. BTW overrated or underrated, Butler is going to want $12 million+ money to come here. That's overpriced. So I agree that a pass is warranted. SFIAH

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,718	Re: Malcolm Butler Just Another 'Non-Essential' Patriots Employee The Patriots can have this years third and next years fourth or fifth. That's it! If not, then we're drafting two corners in the first two or three rounds.

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