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SaintFanInATLHELL 03-26-2017 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 742598)
I will give you a reason why Fleener is still here. I'm going to bet Brees and his family are closest to him than anyone else on the team.
Fascinating conspiracy theory. Ever heard of Occam's Razor where the most logical explanation is likely the correct one? Try this on for size.

Per: Coby Fleener Contract Details, Salary Cap Breakdowns, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

Fleener has nearly $15 million guaranteed on his contract including a $8 million signing bonus. It's cost the Saints $12 million in dead cap to cut him now. Next year the dead cap will be under $5 million against a $8 million cap hit.

In short too expensive to cut now. Cheap enough to do next year.

BTW what evidence do you have that Brees and Fleener have anything other than a professional relationship?

Occam's Razor.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II 03-26-2017 03:32 PM
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There are some solid arguments made here. I was for drafting defense with every pick but I am not so sure now.

jnormand 03-26-2017 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 742598)
I will give you a reason why Fleener is still here. I'm going to bet Brees and his family are closest to him than anyone else on the team.
Dude you've lost your mind. That is absolutely ridiculous. When and where have you ever seen that they're buddies? I've seen nor heard nothing of the such. And even if they were, who cares? Brees wouldn't be the reason they kept Fleener. It'd be stupid and illogical to cut him this year anyway you psycho.

ChrisXVI 03-26-2017 07:59 PM
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I'm actually starting to warm up to Hagan's idea of taking OJ Howard at #11. We could possibly get a DE like Jordan Willis or TJ Watt at #31 and go defense-heavy the rest of the way.

WillSaints81 03-27-2017 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 742664)
Dude you've lost your mind. That is absolutely ridiculous. When and where have you ever seen that they're buddies? I've seen nor heard nothing of the such. And even if they were, who cares? Brees wouldn't be the reason they kept Fleener. It'd be stupid and illogical to cut him this year anyway you psycho.

Psycho?

Danno 03-27-2017 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 742667)
I'm actually starting to warm up to Hagan's idea of taking OJ Howard at #11. We could possibly get a DE like Jordan Willis or TJ Watt at #31 and go defense-heavy the rest of the way.
OJ would be a difference maker for a decade after Brees retires.

Whats a young QB's best friend? A skilled TE. OJ Howard has it all. He's sort of Jimmy Graham with better blocking skills and better hands.

I'd be very happy with him at 11, if the top DE's are off the board and we address defense with several other picks.

|Mitch| 03-27-2017 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 742768)
Whats a young QB's best friend? A skilled TE.
An effective run game...

Danno 03-27-2017 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 742771)
An effective run game...
OK, 1 and 2.:p

But I was referring to the passing game.

Technically...
1-A great defense
2-A great run game
3-A great TE

FinSaint 03-28-2017 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 742774)
OK, 1 and 2.:p

But I was referring to the passing game.

Technically...
1-A great defense
2-A great run game
3-A great TE

4-A great pass blocking O-line

K Major 03-28-2017 11:59 AM
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I hope the Saints FO take a flyer on TE prospects Evan Engram or Adam Shaheen. The kid from U of Miami also (his name escapes me at the moment).


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