Defense Defense Defense

hagan714 · 03-24-2017, 04:30 PM

Defense Defense Defense

Enough already

This set me off

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

The latest from Matt Miller...

Matt Miller's Scouting Notebook: Latest Pro Day Buzz and Updated 2017 Mock Draft | Bleacher Report

—The New Orleans Saints could go many directions with two first-round selections in this year's draft, but I'm told by a scouting source with the team that they are in "win-now" mode and will look to plug holes in the secondary and at defensive end in Round 1.

—A potential target for the Saints at the end of the first round is Kansas State defensive end Jordan Willis. His stock is red hot right now, with already 13 team visits and/or workouts scheduled. I'm told by the same Saints source that they spent considerable time with Willis at the Senior Bowl and combine.

Win now? Let us be honest here.

What are the saints to do after the Cook trade? Now the inability to keep defenses out of the box will become a huge issue. For those hanging their hat on Tedd Ginn, well good luck with that one. Ever ask yourself why he is always out on the market as a free agent? Because of stone cold hands drops. For every one one high light reel there are 3 bloopers. He does not scare anyone. Even the saints went man coverage on him last year. Not worth game planning over the top safety help.

Never was a huge fan of the Cook pick. The saints once again the saints did not get the players to maximize that huge first round investment. Just wait till the Pats put him to use with the right supporting cast. What a waste! Add him to end of the list. Byrd feels better now that some one is behind him now.

The trade of Cook only amplified the needs of the offense. This needs list on offense is the same needs list since we drafted Cook and traded Jimmy. One day you have to complete what you started.

- Any one happy with or TE production or the contact money tied up in that position?
- Who is Zach's back up? We have no one. This is a dead horse Peat is beating
- Now we need a solid true #2 with the ability to keep defenses honest?

I am sick of the same shopping list year after year. Fix it now and forever.

Round 1 - O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6056 251 4.51 #88 Sr
Round 1 - Garret Bolles OT/OG/DT Utah 6050 296 4.97 #75 Jr
Round 2 - Chris Godwin WR Penn St 6010 209 4.42 #12 Jr
Round 3 - Curtis Samuel WR/RB/KR Ohio State 5105 196 4.31 #4 Jr
Round 3 - Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma 6011 226 4.50 #25 rSo
Round 6 - Robert Davis WR Georgia State 6025 219 4.45
Round 7 - Mack Hollins WR NC State 6040 221 4.53 #13 Sr

Once again the saints are going down yet another rabbit hole. Add all the players you want to the defense you want. It is not getting you to the super bowl much less a division title. We will be lucky to be sniffing a wild card. Even then the football gods will need play huge roll.

You can not keep doing stupid things to the offense and expect Drew to do it all. Drew can only do so much. The saints appear to have Drew playing with one arm behind his back yet again.

Seer1 · 03-24-2017, 04:32 PM

Who is Matt Miller?

K Major · 03-24-2017, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Defense Defense Defense

Enough already

Add all the players you want to the defense you want. It is not getting you to the super bowl much less a division title. We will be lucky to be sniffing a wild card. Even then the football gods will need play huge roll.

Hagan, I'm not so sure about that brother. See stats below:

Defensive Rank

• The average NFL defensive rank for an eventual Super Bowl champion is 6.8 (seventh).

• The top-ranked defense has REACHED the Super Bowl 11 times and is 8-3 in the Super Bowl.

Points Allowed

• The team allowing the fewest points during the season has REACHED the Super Bowl 18 times and is 13-5 in the Super Bowl.

Sacks

• 45 of the 47 Super Bowl champions have totaled at least 30 sacks in a season.
Source: THE NUMBERS BEHIND SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS

The 2017 Champs (Pats) ranked #1 in points allowed, 14th in takeaways and 8th in yards allowed. Defense ultimately matters most at this level.

Danno · 03-24-2017, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Who is Matt Miller?

He's pretty good

ChrisXVI · 03-24-2017, 05:13 PM

Sorry Hagan 😔

Papa Voodoo · 03-24-2017, 05:18 PM

Had to improve the D somehow and not many shiny toys to use.

hagan714 · 03-24-2017, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Hagan, I'm not so sure about that brother. See stats below:

Defensive Rank

• The average NFL defensive rank for an eventual Super Bowl champion is 6.8 (seventh).

• The top-ranked defense has REACHED the Super Bowl 11 times and is 8-3 in the Super Bowl.

Points Allowed

• The team allowing the fewest points during the season has REACHED the Super Bowl 18 times and is 13-5 in the Super Bowl.

Sacks

• 45 of the 47 Super Bowl champions have totaled at least 30 sacks in a season.
Source: THE NUMBERS BEHIND SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS

The 2017 Champs (Pats) ranked #1 in points allowed, 14th in takeaways and 8th in yards allowed. Defense ultimately matters most at this level.

LMAO you can draft all defense for the next two years and still not get there. You can spend all the cash in FA also. No defense is built in two or three years.

Maybe after Drew retires then we are in a totally different situation.

Offense is what we must not destroy. That is what got us into this mess in the first place right after the super bowl. Took a few years of raping the offense and some bad DCs to put us back at the bottom of the NFC South.

dizzle88 · 03-24-2017, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

LMAO you can draft all defense for the next two years and still not get there. You can spend all the cash in FA also. No defense is built in two or three years.

Maybe after Drew retires then we are in a totally different situation.

Offense is what we must not destroy. That is what got us into this mess in the first place right after the super bowl. Took a few years of raping the offense and some bad DCs to put us back at the bottom of the NFC South.

We went from the 32nd ranked D in 2012, to the 4th ranked D in 2013. It is very possible.

Danno · 03-24-2017, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

We went from the 32nd ranked D in 2012, to the 4th ranked D in 2013. It is very possible.

Dizz, I think today's NFL is all about fit and resource allocation.

Combine just the right amount of high priced studs with the appropriate amount of role players on both sides of the ball and you have the recipe for success.

I think most teams that fail are trying to put square pegs in round holes.

The Patriots are notorious for placing square pegs in square holes, and round pegs in round holes. I know its easier said than done, but thats how you win today and stay under the cap.

Pick a system and acquire players that fit that system. No one can argue with the Patriots success doing just that.

dizzle88 · 03-24-2017, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Dizz, I think today's NFL is all about fit and resource allocation.

Combine just the right amount of high priced studs with the appropriate amount of role players on both sides of the ball and you have the recipe for success.

I think most teams that fail are trying to put square pegs in round holes.

The Patriots are notorious for placing square pegs in square holes, and round pegs in round holes. I know its easier said than done, but thats how you win today and stay under the cap.

Pick a system and acquire players that fit that system. No one can argue with the Patriots success doing just that.

That's why Rob Ryans D worked so well in year 1, we had players that fit his scheme

Vaccaro would play in the slot and match up against TE's
Junior and Cam could pin their ears back and attack
Jabari and Keenan Lewis could both lock down their guy in man coverage which meant we were able to blitz with more security and effectiveness.

Let's just hope Dennis Allen has a plan and it gets implemented well!

03-24-2017, 04:30 PM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Defense Defense Defense Defense Defense Defense Enough already This set me off Originally Posted by ChrisXVI The latest from Matt Miller... Matt Miller's Scouting Notebook: Latest Pro Day Buzz and Updated 2017 Mock Draft \| Bleacher Report —The New Orleans Saints could go many directions with two first-round selections in this year's draft, but I'm told by a scouting source with the team that they are in "win-now" mode and will look to plug holes in the secondary and at defensive end in Round 1. —A potential target for the Saints at the end of the first round is Kansas State defensive end Jordan Willis. His stock is red hot right now, with already 13 team visits and/or workouts scheduled. I'm told by the same Saints source that they spent considerable time with Willis at the Senior Bowl and combine. Win now? Let us be honest here. What are the saints to do after the Cook trade? Now the inability to keep defenses out of the box will become a huge issue. For those hanging their hat on Tedd Ginn, well good luck with that one. Ever ask yourself why he is always out on the market as a free agent? Because of stone cold hands drops. For every one one high light reel there are 3 bloopers. He does not scare anyone. Even the saints went man coverage on him last year. Not worth game planning over the top safety help. Never was a huge fan of the Cook pick. The saints once again the saints did not get the players to maximize that huge first round investment. Just wait till the Pats put him to use with the right supporting cast. What a waste! Add him to end of the list. Byrd feels better now that some one is behind him now. The trade of Cook only amplified the needs of the offense. This needs list on offense is the same needs list since we drafted Cook and traded Jimmy. One day you have to complete what you started. - Any one happy with or TE production or the contact money tied up in that position? - Who is Zach's back up? We have no one. This is a dead horse Peat is beating - Now we need a solid true #2 with the ability to keep defenses honest? I am sick of the same shopping list year after year. Fix it now and forever. Round 1 - O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6056 251 4.51 #88 Sr Round 1 - Garret Bolles OT/OG/DT Utah 6050 296 4.97 #75 Jr Round 2 - Chris Godwin WR Penn St 6010 209 4.42 #12 Jr Round 3 - Curtis Samuel WR/RB/KR Ohio State 5105 196 4.31 #4 Jr Round 3 - Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma 6011 226 4.50 #25 rSo Round 6 - Robert Davis WR Georgia State 6025 219 4.45 Round 7 - Mack Hollins WR NC State 6040 221 4.53 #13 Sr Once again the saints are going down yet another rabbit hole. Add all the players you want to the defense you want. It is not getting you to the super bowl much less a division title. We will be lucky to be sniffing a wild card. Even then the football gods will need play huge roll. You can not keep doing stupid things to the offense and expect Drew to do it all. Drew can only do so much. The saints appear to have Drew playing with one arm behind his back yet again. MatthewT likes this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by hagan714 Defense Defense Defense Enough already Add all the players you want to the defense you want. It is not getting you to the super bowl much less a division title. We will be lucky to be sniffing a wild card. Even then the football gods will need play huge roll. Hagan, I'm not so sure about that brother. See stats below: Defensive Rank • The average NFL defensive rank for an eventual Super Bowl champion is 6.8 (seventh). • The top-ranked defense has REACHED the Super Bowl 11 times and is 8-3 in the Super Bowl. Points Allowed • The team allowing the fewest points during the season has REACHED the Super Bowl 18 times and is 13-5 in the Super Bowl. Sacks • 45 of the 47 Super Bowl champions have totaled at least 30 sacks in a season. Source: THE NUMBERS BEHIND SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS The 2017 Champs (Pats) ranked #1 in points allowed, 14th in takeaways and 8th in yards allowed. Defense ultimately matters most at this level. SaintFanInATLHELL, dizzle88, ChrisXVI and 1 others like this.
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Defense Defense Defense Sorry Hagan 😔 hagan714 likes this.

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Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Defense Defense Defense Had to improve the D somehow and not many shiny toys to use.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by dizzle88 We went from the 32nd ranked D in 2012, to the 4th ranked D in 2013. It is very possible. Dizz, I think today's NFL is all about fit and resource allocation. Combine just the right amount of high priced studs with the appropriate amount of role players on both sides of the ball and you have the recipe for success. I think most teams that fail are trying to put square pegs in round holes. The Patriots are notorious for placing square pegs in square holes, and round pegs in round holes. I know its easier said than done, but thats how you win today and stay under the cap. Pick a system and acquire players that fit that system. No one can argue with the Patriots success doing just that. dizzle88 and jlouhill like this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by K Major Hagan, I'm not so sure about that brother. See stats below: Defensive Rank • The average NFL defensive rank for an eventual Super Bowl champion is 6.8 (seventh). • The top-ranked defense has REACHED the Super Bowl 11 times and is 8-3 in the Super Bowl. Points Allowed • The team allowing the fewest points during the season has REACHED the Super Bowl 18 times and is 13-5 in the Super Bowl. Sacks • 45 of the 47 Super Bowl champions have totaled at least 30 sacks in a season. Source: THE NUMBERS BEHIND SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS The 2017 Champs (Pats) ranked #1 in points allowed, 14th in takeaways and 8th in yards allowed. Defense ultimately matters most at this level. LMAO you can draft all defense for the next two years and still not get there. You can spend all the cash in FA also. No defense is built in two or three years. Maybe after Drew retires then we are in a totally different situation. Offense is what we must not destroy. That is what got us into this mess in the first place right after the super bowl. Took a few years of raping the offense and some bad DCs to put us back at the bottom of the NFC South.

03-24-2017, 05:38 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by hagan714 LMAO you can draft all defense for the next two years and still not get there. You can spend all the cash in FA also. No defense is built in two or three years. Maybe after Drew retires then we are in a totally different situation. Offense is what we must not destroy. That is what got us into this mess in the first place right after the super bowl. Took a few years of raping the offense and some bad DCs to put us back at the bottom of the NFC South. We went from the 32nd ranked D in 2012, to the 4th ranked D in 2013. It is very possible. SaintFanInATLHELL, Danno, Beastmode and 1 others like this.

03-24-2017, 06:40 PM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by Danno Dizz, I think today's NFL is all about fit and resource allocation. Combine just the right amount of high priced studs with the appropriate amount of role players on both sides of the ball and you have the recipe for success. I think most teams that fail are trying to put square pegs in round holes. The Patriots are notorious for placing square pegs in square holes, and round pegs in round holes. I know its easier said than done, but thats how you win today and stay under the cap. Pick a system and acquire players that fit that system. No one can argue with the Patriots success doing just that. That's why Rob Ryans D worked so well in year 1, we had players that fit his scheme Vaccaro would play in the slot and match up against TE's Junior and Cam could pin their ears back and attack Jabari and Keenan Lewis could both lock down their guy in man coverage which meant we were able to blitz with more security and effectiveness. Let's just hope Dennis Allen has a plan and it gets implemented well!

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