Defense Defense Defense

halloween 65 · 03-25-2017, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

You might be right. As a Saints fan, let's hope things work out.

I am, but damn it gets old watching a top O not have a chance because of a pathetic D.

hagan714 · 03-25-2017, 11:57 AM

DA did not have a defense to work with last year. The last half of the previous year was spent trying to save what he could after Rob. Who once again is out of job after he destroyed the Bills defense like he did here and in Dallas. DA is cleaning up Robs mess.

As for the Oakland bit I have to say that was a mixed bag of tricks. He walked onto a sinking ship and made a huge mistake. Trying to turn it into a winner over night by investing a ton of money in FA. Why? owners or him? hard to say. I do not see him making the same mistake twice.

But the core of that team was drafted by DA. He has a solid grasp on the big picture.

Danno · 03-25-2017, 01:07 PM

There was a reason he became one of the youngest DC's in the league, and then the youngest HC in the league.

I think he'll be a fine HC eventually.

halloween 65 · 03-25-2017, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

There was a reason he became one of the youngest DC's in the league, and then the youngest HC in the league.

I think he'll be a fine HC eventually.

How long is eventually would be the question? Some never do and I still don't see it with him or his body of work. This is his tell tell year..

WillSaints81 · 03-25-2017, 05:52 PM

We just need to add someone to catch Fleener or Ginn Jr. Brees has never had a offense where not one player has the Colston or Graham factor. If you take a closer look at Thomas, he does not have Cooks' speed and a lot of his runs were after the catch. That's not how a elite receiver operates.

dizzle88 · 03-25-2017, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

We just need to add someone to catch Fleener or Ginn Jr. Brees has never had a offense where not one player has the Colston or Graham factor. If you take a closer look at Thomas, he does not have Cooks' speed and a lot of his runs were after the catch. That's not how a elite receiver operates.

So your saying Thomas is not an elite receiver because he catches the ball and breaks tackles, gaining additonal yardage?

Seriously, what are you smoking?

Brandin Cooks as good as he was, could not break tackles and would fall over at the sight of contact.

There's no question in my mind that Thomas will be much better than Cooks.

|Mitch| · 03-25-2017, 06:42 PM

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Nope; Not elite at all

WillSaints81 · 03-25-2017, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

So your saying Thomas is not an elite receiver because he catches the ball and breaks tackles, gaining additonal yardage?

Seriously, what are you smoking?

Brandin Cooks as good as he was, could not break tackles and would fall over at the sight of contact.

There's no question in my mind that Thomas will be much better than Cooks.

Thomas reminded me of number two guys last year like Decker and Sanders. Those receivers could not stand alone as number ones. I don't see Thomas as a number one. I have seen Colston in his prime catch deep TD passes. Thomas has not shown that yet. I just don't see it. He was fine where he was but I don't see Thomas in the same league as Brown, Jones, ODB, Green. He's not even Evans, Allen, and Watkins.

The truth is the saints don't have many things good, that fans over-value what is good.

dizzle88 · 03-25-2017, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Thomas reminded me of number two guys last year like Decker and Sanders. Those receivers could not stand alone as number ones. I don't see Thomas as a number one. I have seen Colston in his prime catch deep TD passes. Thomas has not shown that yet. I just don't see it. He was fine where he was but I don't see Thomas in the same league as Brown, Jones, ODB, Green. He's not even Evans, Allen, and Watkins.

The truth is the saints don't have many things good, that fans over-value what is good.

Firstly, it was Thomas' rookie season, so regardless you'd have to give him more time.
Secondly, Thomas broke all of Colstons rookie records

Is it Thomas' fault that as per Payton's play calling, Thomas was not designated to run many deep routes. It was obvious Payton liked his ability to work the crossing patterns and break tackles so he got him working to his strengths.

Antonio Brown for instance didn't become the player he is now until his 4th year in the league.

Watch Michael Thomas in his rookie highlights completely out-muscle the DB's he faces and it's impossible to deny he looks like a special talent.

WillSaints81 · 03-25-2017, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Firstly, it was Thomas' rookie season, so regardless you'd have to give him more time.
Secondly, Thomas broke all of Colstons rookie records

Is it Thomas' fault that as per Payton's play calling, Thomas was not designated to run many deep routes. It was obvious Payton liked his ability to work the crossing patterns and break tackles so he got him working to his strengths.

Antonio Brown for instance didn't become the player he is now until his 4th year in the league.

Watch Michael Thomas in his rookie highlights completely out-muscle the DB's he faces and it's impossible to deny he looks like a special talent.

That's because Colston was hurt in 2006!

03-25-2017, 04:01 PM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by SmashMouth You might be right. As a Saints fan, let's hope things work out. I am, but damn it gets old watching a top O not have a chance because of a pathetic D.

03-25-2017, 11:57 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Defense Defense Defense DA did not have a defense to work with last year. The last half of the previous year was spent trying to save what he could after Rob. Who once again is out of job after he destroyed the Bills defense like he did here and in Dallas. DA is cleaning up Robs mess. As for the Oakland bit I have to say that was a mixed bag of tricks. He walked onto a sinking ship and made a huge mistake. Trying to turn it into a winner over night by investing a ton of money in FA. Why? owners or him? hard to say. I do not see him making the same mistake twice. But the core of that team was drafted by DA. He has a solid grasp on the big picture.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

03-25-2017, 01:07 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Defense Defense Defense There was a reason he became one of the youngest DC's in the league, and then the youngest HC in the league. I think he'll be a fine HC eventually.

03-25-2017, 04:09 PM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by Danno There was a reason he became one of the youngest DC's in the league, and then the youngest HC in the league. I think he'll be a fine HC eventually. How long is eventually would be the question? Some never do and I still don't see it with him or his body of work. This is his tell tell year..

03-25-2017, 05:52 PM	#5
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Defense Defense Defense We just need to add someone to catch Fleener or Ginn Jr. Brees has never had a offense where not one player has the Colston or Graham factor. If you take a closer look at Thomas, he does not have Cooks' speed and a lot of his runs were after the catch. That's not how a elite receiver operates.

03-25-2017, 06:32 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,535	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by WillSaints81 We just need to add someone to catch Fleener or Ginn Jr. Brees has never had a offense where not one player has the Colston or Graham factor. If you take a closer look at Thomas, he does not have Cooks' speed and a lot of his runs were after the catch. That's not how a elite receiver operates. So your saying Thomas is not an elite receiver because he catches the ball and breaks tackles, gaining additonal yardage? Seriously, what are you smoking? Brandin Cooks as good as he was, could not break tackles and would fall over at the sight of contact. There's no question in my mind that Thomas will be much better than Cooks. FinSaint likes this.

03-25-2017, 07:25 PM	#8
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by dizzle88 So your saying Thomas is not an elite receiver because he catches the ball and breaks tackles, gaining additonal yardage? Seriously, what are you smoking? Brandin Cooks as good as he was, could not break tackles and would fall over at the sight of contact. There's no question in my mind that Thomas will be much better than Cooks. Thomas reminded me of number two guys last year like Decker and Sanders. Those receivers could not stand alone as number ones. I don't see Thomas as a number one. I have seen Colston in his prime catch deep TD passes. Thomas has not shown that yet. I just don't see it. He was fine where he was but I don't see Thomas in the same league as Brown, Jones, ODB, Green. He's not even Evans, Allen, and Watkins. The truth is the saints don't have many things good, that fans over-value what is good.

03-25-2017, 07:39 PM	#9
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,535	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Thomas reminded me of number two guys last year like Decker and Sanders. Those receivers could not stand alone as number ones. I don't see Thomas as a number one. I have seen Colston in his prime catch deep TD passes. Thomas has not shown that yet. I just don't see it. He was fine where he was but I don't see Thomas in the same league as Brown, Jones, ODB, Green. He's not even Evans, Allen, and Watkins. The truth is the saints don't have many things good, that fans over-value what is good. Firstly, it was Thomas' rookie season, so regardless you'd have to give him more time. Secondly, Thomas broke all of Colstons rookie records Is it Thomas' fault that as per Payton's play calling, Thomas was not designated to run many deep routes. It was obvious Payton liked his ability to work the crossing patterns and break tackles so he got him working to his strengths. Antonio Brown for instance didn't become the player he is now until his 4th year in the league. Watch Michael Thomas in his rookie highlights completely out-muscle the DB's he faces and it's impossible to deny he looks like a special talent.
	Your bonehead creator picked a fine chapter to omit from your memory bank....let me ask you, does a machine like yourself ever experience fear? - Vegeta, DBZ

03-25-2017, 07:47 PM	#10
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Defense Defense Defense Originally Posted by dizzle88 Firstly, it was Thomas' rookie season, so regardless you'd have to give him more time. Secondly, Thomas broke all of Colstons rookie records Is it Thomas' fault that as per Payton's play calling, Thomas was not designated to run many deep routes. It was obvious Payton liked his ability to work the crossing patterns and break tackles so he got him working to his strengths. Antonio Brown for instance didn't become the player he is now until his 4th year in the league. Watch Michael Thomas in his rookie highlights completely out-muscle the DB's he faces and it's impossible to deny he looks like a special talent. That's because Colston was hurt in 2006!

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