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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; DA did not have a defense to work with last year. The last half of the previous year was spent trying to save what he could after Rob. Who once again is out of job after he destroyed the Bills ...

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Old 03-25-2017, 11:57 AM   #21
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DA did not have a defense to work with last year. The last half of the previous year was spent trying to save what he could after Rob. Who once again is out of job after he destroyed the Bills defense like he did here and in Dallas. DA is cleaning up Robs mess.

As for the Oakland bit I have to say that was a mixed bag of tricks. He walked onto a sinking ship and made a huge mistake. Trying to turn it into a winner over night by investing a ton of money in FA. Why? owners or him? hard to say. I do not see him making the same mistake twice.

But the core of that team was drafted by DA. He has a solid grasp on the big picture.

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Old 03-25-2017, 01:07 PM   #22
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There was a reason he became one of the youngest DC's in the league, and then the youngest HC in the league.

I think he'll be a fine HC eventually.
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You might be right. As a Saints fan, let's hope things work out.
I am, but damn it gets old watching a top O not have a chance because of a pathetic D.
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Old 03-25-2017, 04:09 PM   #24
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There was a reason he became one of the youngest DC's in the league, and then the youngest HC in the league.

I think he'll be a fine HC eventually.
How long is eventually would be the question? Some never do and I still don't see it with him or his body of work. This is his tell tell year..
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We just need to add someone to catch Fleener or Ginn Jr. Brees has never had a offense where not one player has the Colston or Graham factor. If you take a closer look at Thomas, he does not have Cooks' speed and a lot of his runs were after the catch. That's not how a elite receiver operates.
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Old 03-25-2017, 06:32 PM   #26
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We just need to add someone to catch Fleener or Ginn Jr. Brees has never had a offense where not one player has the Colston or Graham factor. If you take a closer look at Thomas, he does not have Cooks' speed and a lot of his runs were after the catch. That's not how a elite receiver operates.
So your saying Thomas is not an elite receiver because he catches the ball and breaks tackles, gaining additonal yardage?

Seriously, what are you smoking?

Brandin Cooks as good as he was, could not break tackles and would fall over at the sight of contact.

There's no question in my mind that Thomas will be much better than Cooks.
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Nope; Not elite at all
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Old 03-25-2017, 06:52 PM   #28
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Brandin Cooks was "Elite" to you? He finished #3 to the obvious "Non Elite" WR's for the Saints!!! Oh by the way Jimmy Graham was 52nd!

2016 NFL Yards After Catch Leaders

#9 Michael Thomas
#30 Willie Snead
#35 Brandin Cooks

Oh yes, Two other obvious "Non Elite" WR's

#7 Odell Beckham Jr
#19 Julio Jones
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:04 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 View Post
We just need to add someone to catch Fleener or Ginn Jr. Brees has never had a offense where not one player has the Colston or Graham factor. If you take a closer look at Thomas, he does not have Cooks' speed and a lot of his runs were after the catch. That's not how a elite receiver operates.
Tedd is another Robert Meachem.

Thomas looks to have all the makings of a solid possession receiver just like Colston.

Fleener truthfully is entering the last year of his ridiculous contract. If the saints play this right

You bring me to my TE pick of OJ Howard. One of the benefits of Howard is getting us out of that freaking contract next year so we can have an additional 3.3 million in 2018 and 6.3 million in 2019. Of course this is after subtracting out OJs cost to us of about $2,5 mill/yr if picked at 11. Cap control via the draft. A thing the Pats do extremely well.

Now to my second point. Find me a WR that can match Howard combination of athletic/size/speed combination. He has the skill set to make you forget about Graham He is Graham with a skill set Jimmy was never good at. Blocking. Right now I am thinking he is not only the best TE in the draft but could be the best WR. Your actually drafting two players with one pick. He will make up for Cooks loss. This is a once in a life time freak.

O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6055 251 4.51 #88 Sr

This guy running around in the secondary would scare the helll out of DC league wide. Knowing that Drew loves using his TE makes him even more dangerous. Freeing up every one. Ever see OJ block down field. A thing of beauty. His impact on the field would be felt on every down no matter what he does.

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So your saying Thomas is not an elite receiver because he catches the ball and breaks tackles, gaining additonal yardage?

Seriously, what are you smoking?

Brandin Cooks as good as he was, could not break tackles and would fall over at the sight of contact.

There's no question in my mind that Thomas will be much better than Cooks.
Thomas reminded me of number two guys last year like Decker and Sanders. Those receivers could not stand alone as number ones. I don't see Thomas as a number one. I have seen Colston in his prime catch deep TD passes. Thomas has not shown that yet. I just don't see it. He was fine where he was but I don't see Thomas in the same league as Brown, Jones, ODB, Green. He's not even Evans, Allen, and Watkins.

The truth is the saints don't have many things good, that fans over-value what is good.
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