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foreverfan 03-27-2017 10:19 PM

Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11
 
Christian McCaffrey 5'11" 202 4.48 40 - RB - Stanford

Great question: Which player do you think NFC South coaches would fear the most for the Saints to draft at #11?

I think everyone would agree that the Saints need to draft a real difference maker at #11. A player that will actually change every game. Do any of you think that Sean Payton cares if it is offense or defense? Think back to how great our offenses was with Reggie Bush, Darren Sproles or Pierre Thomas (Superbowl). This guy is a excellent WR who is strong and fast enough to be a great RB. It isn't hard to see him as a great addition to our offense.

This could be exactly what Sean Payton is thinking he is missing. On the Saints offense, we line up RBs at WR. Imagine 3rd down with McCaffrey lined up at WR and Ingram in the back field. Would the TE be open... Could you really afford to blitz Brees? Imagine what could happen with well... just about anybody. We've been #1 before and we can do it again. Draft defense or trade pic #32 and draft defense in the 2nd and 3rd... Make sense to me. In fact, I can't see Payton going any way other than this unless he is able to trade down and still get him.

Do any of you really think that Payton is going to pass this guy up given his past history? Face it... Ingram isn't a speed demon or a game changer. Watch these two videos... McCaffrey runs and catches the ball incredible. In workouts at the combine, he never dropped one pass. If I was in the NFC South, I would crap myself if the Saints drafted him. PLUS HE'S WHITE. GTFOH... LOL

Ok... I realize this is a reach and most of you want defense. Still, having the #1 offense scoring team in the league would certainly help our team in the NFC South.


BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE AT #11...???? :bng:




shawnkytonk 03-27-2017 10:49 PM

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So, you want to put up 40 pts a game and still lose?

Danno 03-27-2017 10:50 PM

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Fournette

foreverfan 03-27-2017 11:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 742811)
So, you want to put up 40 pts a game and still lose?

LOL... How about we include getting of the field on 3rd on defense with never get off the field on 3rd on offense. The draft is deep in DE and CBs. Nobody is saying to stop defensive picks. The Saints could be the perfect team for McCaffrey.

In any case... I'm just asking you guys to think about the options he would bring in protecting Brees by creating more problems for defenses.

Fournette isn't an option Danno... In fact, McCaffrey is a reach at #11.

|Mitch| 03-27-2017 11:18 PM

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I think I'd rather have OJ Howard at #11; IF we're drafting offense...

foreverfan 03-27-2017 11:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 742815)
I think I'd rather have OJ Howard at #11; IF we're drafting offense...

Great pick but again... we need an immediate difference maker and would he be that in 2017?

Consider, would it be extremely hard to get to Brees on 2nd or 3rd down with both Ingram and McCaffrey on the field considering the rest of the WR and TEs we currently have? What do you do? This is how we got the #1 offense in years past.

Could you actually afford to blitz Brees without paying for it? Imagine how much we missed Sproles the past two years.

Hey... it doesn't matter what I think... ask Payton what he thinks....



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|Mitch| 03-27-2017 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 742816)
Ask Payton what he thinks....

I'm hoping he's thinking defense :doh:

foreverfan 03-27-2017 11:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 742817)
I'm hoping he's thinking defense :doh:

Works both ways... Payton and Brees know how to do this...

With 7 more points per game, we would have won 7 more games and been 14-2... and with 4 points... 4 more games.

How much have we improved on defense already? How much will the draft or a trade bring? May be good enough.


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jnormand 03-28-2017 12:05 AM

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I wouldn't mind McCaffrey if we go offense with that pick.

|Mitch| 03-28-2017 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 742818)
Works both ways... With 7 more points per game, we would have won 7 more games and with 4 points... 4 more games.
How much will or have improved on defense already?

How's the saying go? Offense wins games; but defense wins championships!

Doesn't matter how good or bad your offense is, if your opponent can't score; they can't win...

hagan714 03-28-2017 06:10 AM

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SP loves his toys. Reggie Bush was custom made for him so much that when Bush left he went out and got Darren Sproles to replace him so SP could use the same great playbook.

Reggie Bush and Darren Sproles were the icing on the cake that made the offense hum and strike fear into defenses.

When they lost Sproles SP had a brain storm and went all out for a new toy in Brandin Cooks. That was a great year for WR and trading up for just a WR really made no sense unless the versions of toys were dancing in SP head. Cook as a WR was a solid addition taking the roof of the top and keeping defenses honest but a failure in that most beloved role of SP Toy.

Christian McCaffrey is the Reggie Bush and Darren Sproles toy that SP so loves. Is he the type of player that will make the entire second level of a defense shift with his every movement? Odds are very good he is.

If Reggie Bush and Darren Sproles were the Icing, Pierre Thomas was the cherry. Having PT and his great all around skill set left teams needed 13 men on the field when the saints loaded up on 3rd down.

Is Christian McCaffrey a Pierre Thomas clone to boot? Yes and no. He can do everything PT did except on thing. Block. At Stanford he was not really used in that role so coaching up is needed. When he did he was a willing blocker so there is something to work with.

Christian McCaffrey can burn you in so many different ways. His 3 cone of 6.57 made me drool. Imagine what effect it had on SP.

OJ Howard vs Christian McCaffrey?

How would the saints nation react if?

11 - OJ Howard

trade up to say Tenn with their second at pick 18 to grab McCaffrey. If he makes it past the few clubs ahead of them wanting a RB and go with traditional backs, then you know SP will be ponder the move. will the temptation be too much to ignore?

trading pick 32 and a conditional 2nd in 2018?

We would still need a 3rd down back to step up or get one for that PT roll to truly get SP all the toys.

The saints would make 90% of the NFL one denominational by half just to keep up. Making the draft shopping list easier to fill in 2017 to capitalize on the moves in round 1. The moves in round one are defensive additions if one looks at them in this manner.

11 - OJ Howard
18 - Christian McCaffrey

you feeling the love?

jeanpierre 03-28-2017 06:25 AM

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We do need more ground game to control the clock, minimize our defense on the field, & limit the opponents scoring opportunities...

This is a big reason I wanted the Saints to go all out for Kevin Zeitler...

Our Rushing Offense was only 15th in the league last year...

If McCaffrey boosts our rushing offense to the top eight, it would have some reciprocation in relieving the defense...

We still need a top rookie edge rusher and a safety...

foreverfan 03-28-2017 08:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 742827)
SP loves his toys. Reggie Bush was custom made for him so much that when Bush left he went out and got Darren Sproles to replace him so SP could use the same great playbook.

Reggie Bush and Darren Sproles were the icing on the cake that made the offense hum and strike fear into defenses.

When they lost Sproles SP had a brain storm and went all out for a new toy in Brandin Cooks. That was a great year for WR and trading up for just a WR really made no sense unless the versions of toys were dancing in SP head. Cook as a WR was a solid addition taking the roof of the top and keeping defenses honest but a failure in that most beloved role of SP Toy.

Christian McCaffrey is the Reggie Bush and Darren Sproles toy that SP so loves. Is he the type of player that will make the entire second level of a defense shift with his every movement? Odds are very good he is.

If Reggie Bush and Darren Sproles were the Icing, Pierre Thomas was the cherry. Having PT and his great all around skill set left teams needed 13 men on the field when the saints loaded up on 3rd down.

Is Christian McCaffrey a Pierre Thomas clone to boot? Yes and no. He can do everything PT did except on thing. Block. At Stanford he was not really used in that role so coaching up is needed. When he did he was a willing blocker so there is something to work with.

Christian McCaffrey can burn you in so many different ways. His 3 cone of 6.57 made me drool. Imagine what effect it had on SP.

OJ Howard vs Christian McCaffrey?

How would the saints nation react if?

11 - OJ Howard

trade up to say Tenn with their second at pick 18 to grab McCaffrey. If he makes it past the few clubs ahead of them wanting a RB and go with traditional backs, then you know SP will be ponder the move. will the temptation be too much to ignore?

trading pick 32 and a conditional 2nd in 2018?

We would still need a 3rd down back to step up or get one for that PT roll to truly get SP all the toys.

The saints would make 90% of the NFL one denominational by half just to keep up. Making the draft shopping list easier to fill in 2017 to capitalize on the moves in round 1. The moves in round one are defensive additions if one looks at them in this manner.

11 - OJ Howard
18 - Christian McCaffrey

you feeling the love?

And draft defense with the rest of the picks and get FA G Kevin Zeitler?
That would be incredible. Try and blitz Brees and you pay the piper. What a team to watch. ;) :givemebeer:

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Cruize 03-28-2017 09:28 AM

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Just what the Saints need. If he's still there in the 2nd. :)

K Major 03-28-2017 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 742843)
Just what the Saints need. If he's still there in the 2nd. :)

He won't be.

K Major 03-28-2017 09:49 AM

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Here me out ...

If we go back and look at all of the comments made by posters regarding any of the defensive draft prospects, we all have some concerns/questions about fit, ability, motor, to be our pick at #11 ("Taco", Solomon, Barnett, Foster, etc).

I don't see any of those questions with Christian. It's like the kid is a match for the Saints. The Reggie Bush comparisons are real but I think CM has even better patience and vision. My only knock is that he plays on offense.

Who knows, maybe NFL scout/analyst Daniel Jeremiah is on to something.

Roast away.

aquaboogie 03-28-2017 09:54 AM

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How does this improve the 27th ranked defense? Instead of losing 35-31 we lose 48-45?

st thomas 03-28-2017 09:54 AM

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it will be best player to make us better no matter what side of the ball. now my pick would be a bookend de to better jordan's potential. if that don't work we trade away jordan next year and start the hell over. over.

K Major 03-28-2017 09:58 AM

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Disclaimer - I'm not in favor of selecting a offensive player at #11, however I wouldn't be upset if CM is the pick.

aquaboogie 03-28-2017 10:04 AM

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Would love him in a saints uniform. Just see another sub .500 season without defensive improvement. Entertaining and heartbreaking simultaneously!

AsylumGuido 03-28-2017 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by aquaboogie (Post 742848)
How does this improve the 27th ranked defense? Instead of losing 35-31 we lose 48-45?

No. We would win 48-35.

foreverfan 03-28-2017 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 742854)
No. We would win 48-35.

Interesting comment. Instead of getting off the field on 3rd down on offense, we go on to score the TD instead of the FG or punt. Imagine this memory... going up 21 to 10 in the first quarter. Payton and Brees know offense better than anybody we have ever seen in Black and Gold.

The 2nd #1 pick or second round pick is going to the Pats for a CB. We can draft a DE with either left over pick. :cool:

darksoul35 03-28-2017 10:52 AM

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I really want a db with our first pick but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he was the offensive player we picked .

jeanpierre 03-28-2017 12:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aquaboogie (Post 742848)
How does this improve the 27th ranked defense? Instead of losing 35-31 we lose 48-45?

If anything, you might see fewer games per play as running games tend to chew up the clock...

maybe instead of 400PaYd and 100RuYd you have 300PaYd and 150RuYd, you're defense is less exposed and therefore you're not giving up as much opponents offense...

And we get back to winning games 28-17, 35-20 kinda thing...

neugey 03-28-2017 12:11 PM

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McCaffery has talent, but I worry about him wearing down. It seemed like Stanford really overused him. At least Reggie was in a somewhat balanced attack at USC with Lendale White.

Papa Voodoo 03-28-2017 01:05 PM

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Don't pass on great players reaching for a team need. How many times have we seen that not work?

saintsfan1976 03-28-2017 01:33 PM

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Still leaves us without a stud linebacker.

brees84 03-28-2017 01:43 PM

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In our offense McCaffrey could be: slot WR, RB (Shady McCoy type) and Kick/punt returner. Him and that tight end Howard are safest picks on offense. I actually think this guy is much better weapon on offense than WR we just traded.

voodooido 03-28-2017 02:02 PM

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We don't need another sproles. We need a LF7 or Mixon to take the pressure off an aging Brees. Personally, I would be ok with trading the #11 pick for Butler and both of the Pats 4th rd picks. Very deep draft. We would get a all pro cb and a extra pick. Taco or Barnett will probably be there at 32

K Major 03-28-2017 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 742877)
I would be ok with trading the #11 pick for Butler and both of the Pats 4th rd picks.

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shawnkytonk 03-28-2017 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 742877)
We don't need another sproles. We need a LF7 or Mixon to take the pressure off an aging Brees. Personally, I would be ok with trading the #11 pick for Butler and both of the Pats 4th rd picks. Very deep draft. We would get a all pro cb and a extra pick. Taco or Barnett will probably be there at 32

Disagree wit all of this. Whole front office should be fired if we send 11 to NE......or 32 TBH.

Beastmode 03-28-2017 06:19 PM

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Um no, this is cra cra. What we will do is trade up and getting LF. From there we will become a run heavy team and put Brees on cruise control much like Trent Dilfer, just sit back and manage easy throws. Defense will improve enough to stop lethargic offenses that hardly see the field.

|Mitch| 03-28-2017 06:20 PM

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rezburna 03-28-2017 06:33 PM

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He's more comparable to Darren Sproles than Reggie Bush. Sproles was more productive, but Bush was more important. Bush could run routes better than most receivers and he was tall for his position. He was a threat even with a corner back on him. You can't say the same for McCaffrey or Sproles. Bush also commanded far more attention from the defense because his speed was in a different world from the other two players. If we need a Reggie Bush...then just sign Reggie Bush. Go defense.

Beastmode 03-28-2017 07:04 PM

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Reggie would have had a better career as a CB IMO. Size, speed, does not like getting hit...believe he played DB once in a college game due to depth chart injuries. I firmly remember it but not the actual game. He still had a solid career but I think he could have been in the HOF as a DB. He had the speed and agility to cover anyone.

shawnkytonk 03-28-2017 07:06 PM

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Reggie is done. I wouldn't mind adding McCaffrey.........just not at 11 and don't want to trade up for him.

rezburna 03-28-2017 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 742923)
Reggie would have had a better career as a CB IMO. Size, speed, does not like getting hit...believe he played DB once in a college game due to depth chart injuries. I firmly remember it but not the actual game. He still had a solid career but I think he could have been in the HOF as a DB. He had the speed and agility to cover anyone.

I don't know he has those kinds of hips. Flipping your hips and breaking in and out of backpedals is something you want to be working on way before you get to the NFL.

foreverfan 03-28-2017 08:45 PM

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Christian McCaffrey's 5 best fits in 2017 NFL Draft (Pick No. 11 or No. 32)

New Orleans is in play for the hometown hero Fournette, but there's a strong chance he'll be gone before that initial first-rounder. And really, McCaffrey is the better all-around back for the Saints' offense, so the question is: Are they willing and able to a) use that higher pick on him b) trade down from 11th to get him at a more comfortable spot or c) trade up from 32nd to get him before he's gone, too?

The span between the picks also represents the wide range of McCaffrey's current draft value. Having two high picks post-Brandin Cooks gives the Saints a chance to address a defensive need early and also go offensive luxury to address their closing window with Drew Brees at the helm. Given how Mark Ingram disappointed last season, a back of McCaffrey's caliber is more of a necessity than they would like to admit.

McCaffrey would have a big, immediate impact with any role in a loaded, rebooted attack.

Seer1 03-28-2017 10:23 PM

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We could have McCaffrey, Fournette, Peterson and O.J. ****in' Simpson in his prime and still be thrown' the ball on damn near every down! We haven't been a running team under Peyton and we ain't never gonna be a running team.

Utah_Saint 03-28-2017 10:51 PM

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"Given how Mark Ingram disappointed last season..."

5.1 yards per carry on over 200 carries. That's the 5th highest YPC in the NFL last year.

I hope he disappoints like that again next season.


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