If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid

BlackandBlue · 03-23-2005, 01:23 PM

Hines Ward
Salary History

2001 825000.00
2002 1668750.00
2003 1668750.00
2004 1668750.00
4 year total- $5,831,250
2005 1668750.00
Grand Total- $7.5 million

Joe Horn
2001 500000.00
2002 1700000.00
2003 700000.00
2004 700000.00
4 Year Total- $3,600,000
2005 3800000.00
Grand Total- $7.4 million

BlackandBlue · 03-23-2005, 01:25 PM

This thread must be where all the smart people are going to post about Joe Horn. I\'m glad I came in. I\'ve been battling with Joe Lovers all day! It\'s good to finally be among some people who know their head from a hole in the ground.

So, in your words, people who A. Don\'t agree with you and B. are Joe Lovers, are ignorant (or don\'t know their head from a hole in the ground)? Interesting....
Your name wouldn\'t happen to be Dale Carnegie, would it?

[Edited on 23/3/2005 by BlackandBlue]

WhoDat · 03-23-2005, 01:44 PM

If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid

You\'d be right.

Ward - 2001-2005

Total Receptions: 381
Total Yards: 4,499
Total TDs: 30
Total 20+: 65
Total 40+: 6

Total Compensation: $5.831 Million

Horn - 2001-2005

Total Receptions: 383
Total Yards: 4,949
Total TDs: 37
Total 20+: 74
Total 40+: 19

Total Compensation: $3.6 Million

So, b/c Horn has 500 more yards on 2 more catches, 9 more 20+ yard gains, and 13 more 40+ yard gains... and 7 more TDs, does that mean he\'s not only more productive, but also more explosive than Ward... yet he\'s made more than $2 million less over the last 4 years. Yeah - that makes perfect sense. I guess it\'s the system right. The Saints system allows for more big plays than Pittsburgh\'s over the last 4 years right? LOL. Got any other well thought out ideas?

Danno · 03-23-2005, 01:50 PM

WhoDat, you don\'t think Horn is better than Ward do you?
Putting all the stupid meaningless stats aside, would you rather have Horn or Ward?

bignic26 · 03-23-2005, 01:52 PM

No not Dale Carnegie. Also, people who don\'t agree with me aren\'t ignorant, just wrong. I don\'t actually mean every word I type in a post. Sometimes I\'m joking with people.

yasoon · 03-23-2005, 01:55 PM

I would take Hines on my team any day. I would argue that he is underpaid relative to what some other guys are getting.
Again, I\'m pretty sure Jerome Pathon made 2.5 million last year.

I think Joe makes a fair salary. And I think Hines as an all around player is every bit as good as Horn. Horn puts up better numbers but there aren\'t alot of balls flying around in Pitt and Hines is perfect for their system.

I\'m with everyone that Joe should shut his yap about the salary thing. I just stated that I didn\'t think he was out of his mind for looking at some other salaries and getting greedy.

Hey, I\'d love to make 250K.....but these guys live in a different world. I just hope they can make Horn happy with a salary that is fair to the team. I would also say that Hines is a mighty fine way to spend that amount of money and he\'ll probably have a monster year with PLax gone.

WhoDat · 03-23-2005, 01:58 PM

WhoDat, you don\'t think Horn is better than Ward do you?
Putting all the stupid meaningless stats aside, would you rather have Horn or Ward?

Depends on a lot of things Danno. I\'ll say this. Ward is more talented and has better potential b/c he\'s still young. Horn is more productive right now. Since I think the Saints window is closing - and is probabl only another year or two before it\'s do-over time, I\'d take either.

shadowdrinker · 03-23-2005, 02:36 PM

I understand that He would be a huge cap hit...

But, the Offense needs him in order to survive...

If we had another top 5 receiver to go to.it wouldn\'t be a problem...but, We don\'t have those things...

If Horn goes now, We are screwed...Stallworth and Henderson aren\'t going to draw the Safeties enough to give us space for the RB and TE to make plays...Neither one is scary enough to draw much double coverage...

And in the West Coast Offense, Your RB and TE are key...especially now since the Offense has been \'\'restructured\'\' to be more dink and dunk..and more power running...

We have got to have him here until we get a Legitimate replacement, Not because He\'s the best Receiver in our clubs history, but because We have GOT to have a top WR to make our Offense work...and without him...We lack that element..and our Offesne will fail..

Unless you truley think Stallworth, or Henderson can be at the very least a top 10 WR?...I have hope for Stallworht..but, He is too unpredictable..like the AB of the WR\'s..and Henderson is a virtual unknown...

saintswhodi · 03-23-2005, 03:04 PM

I\'d take either.

Wow, and I thought Gumbo was bad about AB. Just, wow.

FireVenturi · 03-23-2005, 03:40 PM

hines ward had a better offensive line too allowing big ben more time to throw to him. their defense wasnt on the field all the time either so he got more opportunities. and he didnt put up the numbers as joe even with that.

Yea but ward is a helluva lot better at run blockin than Joe

03-23-2005, 01:23 PM	#11
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid Hines Ward Salary History 2001 825000.00 2002 1668750.00 2003 1668750.00 2004 1668750.00 4 year total- $5,831,250 2005 1668750.00 Grand Total- $7.5 million Joe Horn 2001 500000.00 2002 1700000.00 2003 700000.00 2004 700000.00 4 Year Total- $3,600,000 2005 3800000.00 Grand Total- $7.4 million

03-23-2005, 01:25 PM	#12
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid This thread must be where all the smart people are going to post about Joe Horn. I\'m glad I came in. I\'ve been battling with Joe Lovers all day! It\'s good to finally be among some people who know their head from a hole in the ground. So, in your words, people who A. Don\'t agree with you and B. are Joe Lovers, are ignorant (or don\'t know their head from a hole in the ground)? Interesting.... Your name wouldn\'t happen to be Dale Carnegie, would it? [Edited on 23/3/2005 by BlackandBlue]

03-23-2005, 01:44 PM	#13
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid You\'d be right. Ward - 2001-2005 Total Receptions: 381 Total Yards: 4,499 Total TDs: 30 Total 20+: 65 Total 40+: 6 Total Compensation: $5.831 Million Horn - 2001-2005 Total Receptions: 383 Total Yards: 4,949 Total TDs: 37 Total 20+: 74 Total 40+: 19 Total Compensation: $3.6 Million So, b/c Horn has 500 more yards on 2 more catches, 9 more 20+ yard gains, and 13 more 40+ yard gains... and 7 more TDs, does that mean he\'s not only more productive, but also more explosive than Ward... yet he\'s made more than $2 million less over the last 4 years. Yeah - that makes perfect sense. I guess it\'s the system right. The Saints system allows for more big plays than Pittsburgh\'s over the last 4 years right? LOL. Got any other well thought out ideas?
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid WhoDat, you don\'t think Horn is better than Ward do you? Putting all the stupid meaningless stats aside, would you rather have Horn or Ward?

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03-23-2005, 01:55 PM	#16
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid I would take Hines on my team any day. I would argue that he is underpaid relative to what some other guys are getting. Again, I\'m pretty sure Jerome Pathon made 2.5 million last year. I think Joe makes a fair salary. And I think Hines as an all around player is every bit as good as Horn. Horn puts up better numbers but there aren\'t alot of balls flying around in Pitt and Hines is perfect for their system. I\'m with everyone that Joe should shut his yap about the salary thing. I just stated that I didn\'t think he was out of his mind for looking at some other salaries and getting greedy. Hey, I\'d love to make 250K.....but these guys live in a different world. I just hope they can make Horn happy with a salary that is fair to the team. I would also say that Hines is a mighty fine way to spend that amount of money and he\'ll probably have a monster year with PLax gone.
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03-23-2005, 01:58 PM	#17
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid WhoDat, you don\'t think Horn is better than Ward do you? Putting all the stupid meaningless stats aside, would you rather have Horn or Ward? Depends on a lot of things Danno. I\'ll say this. Ward is more talented and has better potential b/c he\'s still young. Horn is more productive right now. Since I think the Saints window is closing - and is probabl only another year or two before it\'s do-over time, I\'d take either.
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03-23-2005, 02:36 PM	#18
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid I understand that He would be a huge cap hit... But, the Offense needs him in order to survive... If we had another top 5 receiver to go to.it wouldn\'t be a problem...but, We don\'t have those things... If Horn goes now, We are screwed...Stallworth and Henderson aren\'t going to draw the Safeties enough to give us space for the RB and TE to make plays...Neither one is scary enough to draw much double coverage... And in the West Coast Offense, Your RB and TE are key...especially now since the Offense has been \'\'restructured\'\' to be more dink and dunk..and more power running... We have got to have him here until we get a Legitimate replacement, Not because He\'s the best Receiver in our clubs history, but because We have GOT to have a top WR to make our Offense work...and without him...We lack that element..and our Offesne will fail.. Unless you truley think Stallworth, or Henderson can be at the very least a top 10 WR?...I have hope for Stallworht..but, He is too unpredictable..like the AB of the WR\'s..and Henderson is a virtual unknown...
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03-23-2005, 03:04 PM	#19
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid I\'d take either. Wow, and I thought Gumbo was bad about AB. Just, wow.

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FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	If you think Joe Horn has been underpaid hines ward had a better offensive line too allowing big ben more time to throw to him. their defense wasnt on the field all the time either so he got more opportunities. and he didnt put up the numbers as joe even with that. Yea but ward is a helluva lot better at run blockin than Joe