Jamal Adams at #11?

|Mitch| · 04-05-2017, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If all of the stud DE's are gone at 11, we shouldn't reach for one.

Never reach for a need.

There may be numerous options at 32 to address DE.

Pick a bonafied stud at 11, not some 2nd rounder just because we have a need.

I'd rather an A-player at 11 than a B-player.

Taco Charlton and Derek Barnett both should be there at #11

Seer1 · 04-05-2017, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Taco Charlton and Derek Barnett both should be there at #11

Taco'll be a reach at eleven.

|Mitch| · 04-05-2017, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Taco'll be a reach at eleven.

...

Sources have said that Charlton should go in the top half of the first round and has a shot at going in the top 10. He has an excellent skill set with athletic upside for the NFL. Numerous scouts have compared Charlton to Carlos Dunlap and think he could be that kind of edge defender.

triman · 04-07-2017, 07:44 AM

Totally agree about not reaching for a player. Our defense has very few top quality players. Jamal Adams would be an immediate upgrade. Doubt that he makes it to #11

|Mitch| · 04-07-2017, 08:29 AM

Adams won't make it past the Jets at #6...

darksoul35 · 04-10-2017, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Adams won't make it past the Jets at #6...

IDK. It is the Jets we are talking about. They remind me of how the Saints use to be. Even so I agree. Its highly unlikely he will be there.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-10-2017, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by triman

Totally agree about not reaching for a player. Our defense has very few top quality players. Jamal Adams would be an immediate upgrade. Doubt that he makes it to #11

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Adams won't make it past the Jets at #6...

Here's the question then: If Adams truly is an immediate upgrade, dare say it having the potential to be Marcus Peters' level of talent, then why not reach? The Saints current #11 and #32 have a total value of a #4.

Is the potential of having the potential of one exceptional player worth the cost of drafting two players who likely will never be exceptional?

I understand the value if a top 5 guy drops to 11. But I'm unsure of the value of a #11 and #32 that will never reach the potential of a top 5 guy.

Thoughts?

SFIAH

Utah_Saint · 04-10-2017, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Here's the question then: If Adams truly is an immediate upgrade, dare say it having the potential to be Marcus Peters' level of talent, then why not reach? The Saints current #11 and #32 have a total value of a #4.

Is the potential of having the potential of one exceptional player worth the cost of drafting two players who likely will never be exceptional?

I understand the value if a top 5 guy drops to 11. But I'm unsure of the value of a #11 and #32 that will never reach the potential of a top 5 guy.

Thoughts?

SFIAH

Just playin devil's advocate here...

Because there's no guarantee how any draft pick will turn out. The odds are better with a top five pick but definitely not a certainty. So why not take two shots at getting a stud rather than one?

And then there's another unknown, assuming all the draft picks do pan out relative to their draft status, does having one stud outweigh having two really good players.

I think it just comes down to how convinced the team is that a certain player is exactly what they need.

Danno · 04-05-2017, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Taco Charlton and Derek Barnett both should be there at #11

Should.

Both of them are fine prospects and I'd be fine with either one, but Adams may be the next Ed Reed only better.

Do you pass up what many consider a 10 year all-pro prospect just because of need?

Drafting for need is a huge mistake.

|Mitch| · 04-05-2017, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Should.

Both of them are fine prospects and I'd be fine with either one, but Adams may be the next Ed Reed only better.

Do you pass up what many consider a 10 year all-pro prospect just because of need?

Drafting for need is a huge mistake.

Taco Charlton could be the next JJ Watt; only better... Hindsight is always 20/20

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Jamal Adams at #11? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Taco Charlton and Derek Barnett both should be there at #11 Taco'll be a reach at eleven. jnormand, K Major and rezburna like this.

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Jamal Adams at #11? Originally Posted by triman Totally agree about not reaching for a player. Our defense has very few top quality players. Jamal Adams would be an immediate upgrade. Doubt that he makes it to #11 Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Adams won't make it past the Jets at #6... Here's the question then: If Adams truly is an immediate upgrade, dare say it having the potential to be Marcus Peters' level of talent, then why not reach? The Saints current #11 and #32 have a total value of a #4. Is the potential of having the potential of one exceptional player worth the cost of drafting two players who likely will never be exceptional? I understand the value if a top 5 guy drops to 11. But I'm unsure of the value of a #11 and #32 that will never reach the potential of a top 5 guy. Thoughts? SFIAH
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04-05-2017, 06:54 PM	#1
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Jamal Adams at #11? Originally Posted by Danno If all of the stud DE's are gone at 11, we shouldn't reach for one. Never reach for a need. There may be numerous options at 32 to address DE. Pick a bonafied stud at 11, not some 2nd rounder just because we have a need. I'd rather an A-player at 11 than a B-player. Taco Charlton and Derek Barnett both should be there at #11

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Jamal Adams at #11? Originally Posted by Seer1 Taco'll be a reach at eleven. ... Sources have said that Charlton should go in the top half of the first round and has a shot at going in the top 10. He has an excellent skill set with athletic upside for the NFL. Numerous scouts have compared Charlton to Carlos Dunlap and think he could be that kind of edge defender.

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jamal Adams at #11? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Here's the question then: If Adams truly is an immediate upgrade, dare say it having the potential to be Marcus Peters' level of talent, then why not reach? The Saints current #11 and #32 have a total value of a #4. Is the potential of having the potential of one exceptional player worth the cost of drafting two players who likely will never be exceptional? I understand the value if a top 5 guy drops to 11. But I'm unsure of the value of a #11 and #32 that will never reach the potential of a top 5 guy. Thoughts? SFIAH Just playin devil's advocate here... Because there's no guarantee how any draft pick will turn out. The odds are better with a top five pick but definitely not a certainty. So why not take two shots at getting a stud rather than one? And then there's another unknown, assuming all the draft picks do pan out relative to their draft status, does having one stud outweigh having two really good players. I think it just comes down to how convinced the team is that a certain player is exactly what they need.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Jamal Adams at #11? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Taco Charlton and Derek Barnett both should be there at #11 Should. Both of them are fine prospects and I'd be fine with either one, but Adams may be the next Ed Reed only better. Do you pass up what many consider a 10 year all-pro prospect just because of need? Drafting for need is a huge mistake. foreverfan likes this.

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