Richard Sherman....

jnormand · 04-06-2017, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm not going to say that Sherman definitely gets traded, but you aren't really correct in calling this media hype. Because I just heard today that Seattle's GM said the trade talk about Sherman "is real".

Now, when you consider that most GM's and coaches will tell you a report is NOT real, even if it IS real, it's pretty telling that the GM in this case is not denying anything, and comes right out and confirms the talk is real.

So, while you are poo pooing a report, as usual, you might want to check a little more into it first.

You've got a point there Metal.

darksoul35 · 04-06-2017, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm not going to say that Sherman definitely gets traded, but you aren't really correct in calling this media hype. Because I just heard today that Seattle's GM said the trade talk about Sherman "is real".

Now, when you consider that most GM's and coaches will tell you a report is NOT real, even if it IS real, it's pretty telling that the GM in this case is not denying anything, and comes right out and confirms the talk is real.

So, while you are poo pooing a report, as usual, you might want to check a little more into it first.

They also interviewed Shermans brother and he was saying it would be a win win situation. I think there is a good chance that they trade him but I wouldn't break the bank for a almost 30 year old corner. I think we have above average corners we just need health and a pass rush.

burningmetal · 04-09-2017, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

They also interviewed Shermans brother and he was saying it would be a win win situation. I think there is a good chance that they trade him but I wouldn't break the bank for a almost 30 year old corner. I think we have above average corners we just need health and a pass rush.

Yeah it's sounding like a possibility, at least, but I'm not enamored with the idea, either. He's more name than game, at this point. If he winds up here, I hope I'm wrong about him. He probably can still be good, even outside of that Seattle system, but not nearly what he used to be.

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2017, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm not going to say that Sherman definitely gets traded, but you aren't really correct in calling this media hype. Because I just heard today that Seattle's GM said the trade talk about Sherman "is real".

Now, when you consider that most GM's and coaches will tell you a report is NOT real, even if it IS real, it's pretty telling that the GM in this case is not denying anything, and comes right out and confirms the talk is real.

So, while you are poo pooing a report, as usual, you might want to check a little more into it first.

I'm not saying that NOTHING has been said, I'm saying that any talk of actual demands for specific picks and such are media fabricated. I don't doubt that Seattle is open to inquiries about all of their players, as should every franchise be at this time of the year. It is when these speculations about what pick or picks would be needed become taken as actual demands that I blame media hype.

As for Schneider's comment, of course he is going to play along, and most likely embellish. It gives the team more leverage in dealings with Sherman.

burningmetal · 04-09-2017, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm not saying that NOTHING has been said, I'm saying that any talk of actual demands for specific picks and such are media fabricated. I don't doubt that Seattle is open to inquiries about all of their players, as should every franchise be at this time of the year. It is when these speculations about what pick or picks would be needed become taken as actual demands that I blame media hype.

As for Schneider's comment, of course he is going to play along, and most likely embellish. It gives the team more leverage in dealings with Sherman.

Of course you wouldn't admit to being wrong about something. You said they are entertaining the idea of trading Sherman as much as the Pats are in trading Tom Brady (paraphrasing).

Meaning you aren't just talking about demands, you're talking about the likelihood of trading him, period. You never miss a chance to call a report false, without having any knowledge yourself, and then call people out for entertaining whatever the report is about. It'd be one thing if it were some fan site just blowing smoke and we were all making a big deal out of it. But that isn't the case here.

And no, Seattle's GM isn't "playing along". Did you miss the part where I said that most GM's will deny a report even if it is true? Because as long as that guy is still on your team, you don't want to make the situation any more tense than it already is, in case you end up keeping that player. Also, contrary to your opinion, it does not give the team more leverage. Teams can have internal conversations with one another about players. Talking about it publicly doesn't help them and, as I said, only serves to sour the relationship with the player. Which, if the Seahawks are planning on trying to extend Sherman at a discounted price, will not serve them well.

Other teams can sense that, and they will get the idea that the Seahawks probably will want to trade him now rather than let a potentially disgruntled player stay on their team, possibly get hurt, and have ZERO trade value going into the last year of his contract. And all of that stands to drive down his current trade value, due to the 'hawks urgency to get whatever they can, while they can.

That's a pretty good reason NOT to "play along".

voodooido · 04-05-2017, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Seattle entertaining offers to move him. I have even heard late 1st or early second rd for him. Thoughts? Good locker room guy and a leader plus we have a good trade relationship with seattle. And he would come cheaper than butler. for the next 2 years anyway.

I would rather wake up with my face stapled to the carpet. I would pull for him to blow out a knee on every play. I despise tht douche bag.

jnormand · 04-06-2017, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

I would rather wake up with my face stapled to the carpet. I would pull for him to blow out a knee on every play. I despise tht douche bag.

I can't stand him. He's a cheater. He likes to hold. He acts like he's this badass, but only covers one side of the field and if the #1 WR isn't on his side then he doesn't cover him. He benefited from good safety help and I believe it made him look better than he is.

He's a quality CB, but he's annoying and a loud mouth. He gets a away with being a loud mouth because people think he's so sophisticated and intelligent.

No thanks.

hagan714 · 04-06-2017, 07:26 AM

Are we building a defense?

or

Are we making a super bowl run?

I am stuck on "we building a defense". So the answer is no thank you we are not at the point were a huge contract on defense will get us a ring

people really do not study what the pats do in between getting rings.

The Dude · 04-09-2017, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Are we building a defense?

or

Are we making a super bowl run?

I am stuck on "we building a defense". So the answer is no thank you we are not at the point were a huge contract on defense will get us a ring

people really do not study what the pats do in between getting rings.

Not me. For this year at least it's win now. We already have some good people in place on D that are young. Brees at Qb is our best chance at winning. After 2 years, or as soon as his play drops off then you sacrifice a season or two to build.

rezburna · 04-06-2017, 07:30 AM

I'd give up the our late 1st rounder or a 2nd round pick for Sherman. He's the kind of the guy this locker room needs. Loud and in your face. Sean Payton wants to play like Seattle. Cool. Get their best corner.

04-06-2017, 07:43 AM	#2
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,044	Re: Richard Sherman.... Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm not going to say that Sherman definitely gets traded, but you aren't really correct in calling this media hype. Because I just heard today that Seattle's GM said the trade talk about Sherman "is real". Now, when you consider that most GM's and coaches will tell you a report is NOT real, even if it IS real, it's pretty telling that the GM in this case is not denying anything, and comes right out and confirms the talk is real. So, while you are poo pooing a report, as usual, you might want to check a little more into it first. They also interviewed Shermans brother and he was saying it would be a win win situation. I think there is a good chance that they trade him but I wouldn't break the bank for a almost 30 year old corner. I think we have above average corners we just need health and a pass rush.
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04-09-2017, 07:03 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Richard Sherman.... Originally Posted by darksoul35 They also interviewed Shermans brother and he was saying it would be a win win situation. I think there is a good chance that they trade him but I wouldn't break the bank for a almost 30 year old corner. I think we have above average corners we just need health and a pass rush. Yeah it's sounding like a possibility, at least, but I'm not enamored with the idea, either. He's more name than game, at this point. If he winds up here, I hope I'm wrong about him. He probably can still be good, even outside of that Seattle system, but not nearly what he used to be.

04-06-2017, 07:53 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Richard Sherman.... Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm not going to say that Sherman definitely gets traded, but you aren't really correct in calling this media hype. Because I just heard today that Seattle's GM said the trade talk about Sherman "is real". Now, when you consider that most GM's and coaches will tell you a report is NOT real, even if it IS real, it's pretty telling that the GM in this case is not denying anything, and comes right out and confirms the talk is real. So, while you are poo pooing a report, as usual, you might want to check a little more into it first. I'm not saying that NOTHING has been said, I'm saying that any talk of actual demands for specific picks and such are media fabricated. I don't doubt that Seattle is open to inquiries about all of their players, as should every franchise be at this time of the year. It is when these speculations about what pick or picks would be needed become taken as actual demands that I blame media hype. As for Schneider's comment, of course he is going to play along, and most likely embellish. It gives the team more leverage in dealings with Sherman.
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04-09-2017, 07:24 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Richard Sherman.... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm not saying that NOTHING has been said, I'm saying that any talk of actual demands for specific picks and such are media fabricated. I don't doubt that Seattle is open to inquiries about all of their players, as should every franchise be at this time of the year. It is when these speculations about what pick or picks would be needed become taken as actual demands that I blame media hype. As for Schneider's comment, of course he is going to play along, and most likely embellish. It gives the team more leverage in dealings with Sherman. Of course you wouldn't admit to being wrong about something. You said they are entertaining the idea of trading Sherman as much as the Pats are in trading Tom Brady (paraphrasing). Meaning you aren't just talking about demands, you're talking about the likelihood of trading him, period. You never miss a chance to call a report false, without having any knowledge yourself, and then call people out for entertaining whatever the report is about. It'd be one thing if it were some fan site just blowing smoke and we were all making a big deal out of it. But that isn't the case here. And no, Seattle's GM isn't "playing along". Did you miss the part where I said that most GM's will deny a report even if it is true? Because as long as that guy is still on your team, you don't want to make the situation any more tense than it already is, in case you end up keeping that player. Also, contrary to your opinion, it does not give the team more leverage. Teams can have internal conversations with one another about players. Talking about it publicly doesn't help them and, as I said, only serves to sour the relationship with the player. Which, if the Seahawks are planning on trying to extend Sherman at a discounted price, will not serve them well. Other teams can sense that, and they will get the idea that the Seahawks probably will want to trade him now rather than let a potentially disgruntled player stay on their team, possibly get hurt, and have ZERO trade value going into the last year of his contract. And all of that stands to drive down his current trade value, due to the 'hawks urgency to get whatever they can, while they can. That's a pretty good reason NOT to "play along". ScottF likes this.
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04-05-2017, 11:19 PM	#6
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,819	Re: Richard Sherman.... Originally Posted by The Dude Seattle entertaining offers to move him. I have even heard late 1st or early second rd for him. Thoughts? Good locker room guy and a leader plus we have a good trade relationship with seattle. And he would come cheaper than butler. for the next 2 years anyway. I would rather wake up with my face stapled to the carpet. I would pull for him to blow out a knee on every play. I despise tht douche bag. jnormand, Danno and AlaskaSaints like this.
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04-06-2017, 12:46 AM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,737	Re: Richard Sherman.... Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm not going to say that Sherman definitely gets traded, but you aren't really correct in calling this media hype. Because I just heard today that Seattle's GM said the trade talk about Sherman "is real". Now, when you consider that most GM's and coaches will tell you a report is NOT real, even if it IS real, it's pretty telling that the GM in this case is not denying anything, and comes right out and confirms the talk is real. So, while you are poo pooing a report, as usual, you might want to check a little more into it first. You've got a point there Metal.

04-06-2017, 12:00 AM	#7
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,737	Re: Richard Sherman.... Originally Posted by voodooido I would rather wake up with my face stapled to the carpet. I would pull for him to blow out a knee on every play. I despise tht douche bag. I can't stand him. He's a cheater. He likes to hold. He acts like he's this badass, but only covers one side of the field and if the #1 WR isn't on his side then he doesn't cover him. He benefited from good safety help and I believe it made him look better than he is. He's a quality CB, but he's annoying and a loud mouth. He gets a away with being a loud mouth because people think he's so sophisticated and intelligent. No thanks. voodooido and AlaskaSaints like this.

04-06-2017, 07:26 AM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Richard Sherman.... Are we building a defense? or Are we making a super bowl run? I am stuck on "we building a defense". So the answer is no thank you we are not at the point were a huge contract on defense will get us a ring people really do not study what the pats do in between getting rings. SaintFanInATLHELL, foreverfan and halloween 65 like this.

04-09-2017, 01:29 AM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Richard Sherman.... Originally Posted by hagan714 Are we building a defense? or Are we making a super bowl run? I am stuck on "we building a defense". So the answer is no thank you we are not at the point were a huge contract on defense will get us a ring people really do not study what the pats do in between getting rings. Not me. For this year at least it's win now. We already have some good people in place on D that are young. Brees at Qb is our best chance at winning. After 2 years, or as soon as his play drops off then you sacrifice a season or two to build.
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