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tiger_bait 04-21-2017 12:02 PM

Butler and the latest
 
Saints & Patriots Expected To Continue Exploring Potential Malcolm Butler Trade - NFLTradeRumors.co

SaintFanInATLHELL 04-21-2017 12:45 PM

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According to Jason La Canfora,
First sentence. Stopped reading.

Can somone credible corroborate this?

SFIAH

lee909 04-21-2017 12:46 PM

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Just take a good rookie with the 2/3rd pick of our draft. Wait a year and offer him a contract as a FA is the rookie isnt good enough to be start opposite Breaux. Get the pass rush sorted and the CB might look good

With the lack of pressure over the past few years they could have had Sanders,Champ Bailey back there at their peaks and they still have been roasted every game

neugey 04-21-2017 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 745460)
Just take a good rookie with the 2/3rd pick of our draft. Wait a year and offer him a contract as a FA is the rookie isnt good enough to be start opposite Breaux. Get the pass rush sorted and the CB might look good

With the lack of pressure over the past few years they could have had Sanders,Champ Bailey back there at their peaks and they still have been roasted every game

Fun fact - Malcolm Butler was an undrafted free agent. So was Chris Harris Jr. And Delvin Breaux. And Jabari Greer. And Raider Hall-of-Famer Willie Brown.

Let's not make this trade and say we did.

K Major 04-21-2017 02:48 PM

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If the Saints front office were willing to part ways with pick #32, I'm quite certain if would have been done by now. Credit to the decision makers on standing their ground. Based on the history of trades in the NFL, the only time you see 1st rounders traded in a situation like this is when a Quarterback is involved.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

hagan714 04-21-2017 04:08 PM

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Stephone Anthony is still my #1 trade target for the pats

then again I did not see the cook deal coming.

If it is pick 32 I will be @##@$$#^%%&*&(*)_

If they make the trade a FS is a huge need. Oh wait the saints never get complementary players to make pick ups like this work. never mind

foreverfan 04-21-2017 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 745459)
First sentence. Stopped reading.

Can somone credible corroborate this?

SFIAH

Stopped reading after I read this... :D

This is why I feel the need to post something worth reading.

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Rugby Saint II 04-22-2017 02:43 PM

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#42 and a player that they covet possibly. I want to keep both of our first round draft picks so we have them under contract for five years at a reasonable rate. Also, we need to remember how well Aaron Glenn did with our corners last year. That man can flat out coach!

Why trade Cooks for Butler straight up? I don't like the idea of taking on Butler's contract when we can get a rookie relatively inexpensively. At #42 Butler has great value to us and would solidify the corner position.

AsylumGuido 04-22-2017 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 745546)
#42 and a player that they covet possibly. I want to keep both of our first round draft picks so we have them under contract for five years at a reasonable rate. Also, we need to remember how well Aaron Glenn did with our corners last year. That man can flat out coach!

Why trade Cooks for Butler straight up? I don't like the idea of taking on Butler's contract when we can get a rookie relatively inexpensively. At #42 Butler has great value to us and would solidify the corner position.

A rookie CB would most likely be a detriment in the short term. We have the talent with a few pieces to win it all again with Drew and the crew.

hagan714 04-22-2017 03:31 PM

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force the pats hand. pass this year and chase him in FA next year

lee909 04-24-2017 04:15 AM

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Any of you close enough to the team facilities to cut all incoming communication lines to the Saints facility. Also get some interference on Loomis phone. Make sure this trade does not happen pre draft

Thanks
Lee

ChrisXVI 04-24-2017 07:32 AM

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You guys will love to hear this...

Browns eye Myles Garrett, Mitch Trubisky in NFL Draft | The MMQB with Peter King

• Whither Malcolm Butler? The Saints (picking 11, 32, 42, 76, 103 in the first three rounds) are still interested in Butler, but someone familiar with their thinking believes they are leaning toward keeping their first three picks. The Saints believe that their board between 25 and 75 has a slew of players capable of contributing immediately, with grades close to each other, and the thought of dealing one or more picks for Butler, then paying him a huge contract, is less attractive than it once seemed.

lee909 04-24-2017 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 745675)
You guys will love to hear this...

Browns eye Myles Garrett, Mitch Trubisky in NFL Draft | The MMQB with Peter King

• Whither Malcolm Butler? The Saints (picking 11, 32, 42, 76, 103 in the first three rounds) are still interested in Butler, but someone familiar with their thinking believes they are leaning toward keeping their first three picks. The Saints believe that their board between 25 and 75 has a slew of players capable of contributing immediately, with grades close to each other, and the thought of dealing one or more picks for Butler, then paying him a huge contract, is less attractive than it once seemed.

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neugey 04-24-2017 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 745670)
Any of you close enough to the team facilities to cut all incoming communication lines to the Saints facility. Also get some interference on Loomis phone. Make sure this trade does not happen pre draft

Thanks
Lee

Likewise for any WhoDat's in the Foxboro area!

triman 04-24-2017 08:35 AM

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At 42 Butler is a good get

saintsfan1976 04-24-2017 08:51 AM

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Sign and trade draft day. It's the only thing that makes sense in my mind now.

It all depends on those 25 to 75 prospects and how they fall during the draft. Not just for us, but for the Pats also.

It would be foolish to give up anything this close to the draft. Wait to see what our true options are, THEN we make an informed decision.

lee909 04-24-2017 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by triman (Post 745679)
At 42 Butler is a good get

I dont agree
We have just found flexibility in the cap. You dont give that and a 4 year cheap deal up for a 12ml plus for a year CB.

The problem is Butler is a small CB. He doesn't shadow the best WR from what i can see. He isnt a turnover machine either. Yeah he is good and solid but has had issue with big WR and this is not the division to habe them issues in. For me id happily pay him next year as a FA but giving up a cheap 4 year contract for a 27 year old non shut down corner is not good business imo

ScottF 04-24-2017 09:31 AM

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42 and a clause that says Brady plays week 2 left-handed

ScottF 04-24-2017 09:39 AM

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Report: Malcolm Butler trade “less attractive” to Saints | ProFootballTalk

Report: Saints leaning against Malcolm Butler trade - NFL.com

Patriots unlikely to trade Malcolm Butler to Saints | Patriots Wire

My guess is that he will become a Cowboy. NE cannot afford two 7 digit DB's (or is it 3?)

lee909 04-24-2017 09:43 AM

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Butler is only on the books for under 4ml. They'll happily keep him if the right offers not there

|Mitch| 04-24-2017 10:00 AM

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|Mitch| 04-24-2017 10:01 AM

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lee909 04-24-2017 10:10 AM

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Oh good lord
Please tell me we are not moving up

|Mitch| 04-24-2017 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 745691)
Oh good lord
Please tell me we are not moving up

It's very possible Humphrey will be there at #11

lee909 04-24-2017 10:30 AM

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New England Patriots cornerback Malcolm Butler is unlikely to be traded, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN



Welcome to New Orleans Malcolm Butler (2018)

lee909 04-24-2017 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 745695)
It's very possible Humphrey will be there at #11

Yeah ignore me
I had Lattimore in my head.

lee909 04-24-2017 10:47 AM

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|Mitch| 04-24-2017 10:50 AM

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triman 04-24-2017 11:04 AM

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I see getting a sure thing at 42 as a win for the Saints. We have been historically BAD on Defense . The fact that Butler is 27 is overblown he will be a day one upgrade to a needy secondary . No rookie short of Deion Sanders is guaranteed to do that. We are getting a Pro Bowl player at a critical need. Make the deal at 42 and move on. If the Pats way no Cie la Vie

lee909 04-24-2017 11:17 AM

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Do that and welcome to more years on no cap space for upcoming years. Youll still need to either pay Breaux or draft a replacement in a year either way. Better getting some of the better and taller CB in the draft. Butler is never going to match up well to the huge receivers in the South

Seer1 04-24-2017 11:18 AM

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Sanders? I thought we wanted someone who could tackle...

Euphoria 04-24-2017 11:31 AM

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use the pics... they are more cap friedly. A CB isn't going to help us. If you don't get a pass rush it doesn't matter who you put at CB eventually the WR will get open.

ScottF 04-24-2017 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 745703)
Do that and welcome to more years on no cap space for upcoming years.

We have $7 million in cap space. If you are not going to use it on a Pro Bowl CB, then on what?
There's nothing else out there, and it fills an immediate need. Butler has had his ego checked in the past month and knows he isn't getting 13 a year.

We are carrying $13 million in dead money this year, so that number drops, and next year, and Loomis will redo some deals and recoup some more. We are fine

|Mitch| 04-24-2017 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 745709)
We have $7 million in cap space. If you are not going to use it on a Pro Bowl CB, then on what?

You draft Marlon Humphrey at #11
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Marlon Humphrey**, CB, Alabama
Height: 6-0. Weight: 197. Arm: 32.75.
40 Time: 4.41.
Projected Round (2017): Top-20 Pick.
3/25/17: Humphrey has a superb skill set with the size to match up against big wideouts and enough speed to run with speed receivers. He has quick feet, physicality, length, and is agile to run the route with wideouts. Humphrey is well-developed and should be quality starter quickly in his NFL career. Some teams have Humphrey as their top-rated cornerback.

In 2016, Humphrey totaled 33 tackles with two tackles for a loss, two interceptions and five pass breakups. He had an excellent season opener against USC as he shut down wide receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster, holding him to one catch for nine yards. Humphrey also had an interception returned 18 yards for a touchdown and a tackle for a loss.

Humphrey is a well-rounded prospect who does everything well. Sources feel that Humphrey's only real flaw is that he had issues playing the ball in 2016. He is very good at preventing separation as he can vertically stay with speed wideouts and run the routes with receivers, but some opponents made catches over him. Against Arkansas, Humphrey gave up a few receptions, including a touchdown. He also had a rough game against Ole Miss as he gave up a few completions downfield, including a score. On those plays, Humphrey was close to the receivers and not allowing separation, but they were making receptions over him and he wasn't doing a good job of playing the ball. That is the one issue that Humphrey needs to fix for the NFL.

9/3/16: In speaking to sources at multiple teams, they really like Humphrey and already view him as a high first-round talent. Teams feel he has a great skill set with size, speed and athleticism. After redshirting in 2014, Humphrey had an excellent debut to help Alabama win the National Championship. He earned a starting job across from Cyrus Jones and Humphrey was the Crimson Tide's top corner. In 2015, Humphrey totaled 45 tackles with three interceptions and eight passes broken up. He could take his game to another level in 2016.

ScottF 04-24-2017 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 745712)

with a cap hit of about $2,300,000.
What do you want to do with the rest?

lee909 04-24-2017 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 745709)
We have $7 million in cap space. If you are not going to use it on a Pro Bowl CB, then on what?
There's nothing else out there, and it fills an immediate need. Butler has had his ego checked in the past month and knows he isn't getting 13 a year.

We are carrying $13 million in dead money this year, so that number drops, and next year, and Loomis will redo some deals and recoup some more. We are fine

Well Snead needs a new deal
Vaccaro on the option year needs one
And Delvin Breaux needs a deal

|Mitch| 04-24-2017 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 745716)
with a cap hit of about $2,300,000.
What do you want to do with the rest?

Save it...

saintsfan1976 04-24-2017 01:26 PM

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dizzle88 04-24-2017 01:36 PM

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50M for butler? No thanks, I'm still trying to get over Jairus Byrd's 56M contract.

They need to realise we do better with the low key, low cost signings.

lee909 04-24-2017 02:21 PM

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Got to be 5 years 10ml plus or 4 years 12.5ml

Roughly


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