2017 Draft Day 2 - Rounds 2 and 3

04-28-2017, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I only say it because of the lack of love for LSU players

I don't know why Payton kept passing up on all that talent LSU puts out.

Seer1 · 04-28-2017, 09:07 AM

I could give a crap where they're from. I only care where they're goin'.

Danno · 04-28-2017, 09:15 AM

Just about every expert claimed this draft was 3 or 4 rounds deep with good quality pass rush prospects.
I'm not gonna panic just because we didn't draft in in the 1st round.

We got the #1 CB, and the #1 OT. Thats a good day.

burningmetal · 04-28-2017, 09:17 AM

Urban Meyer isn't the only coach or program who puts out players. There are other top programs who put out just as many, and more, and with higher rates of pro success than Ohio State. I don't have hate for their players. Heck, there have been players I've wanted from there.

It just gets weird when better prospects are often passed on to feed the seeming infatuation of getting OSU players. I like Lattimore a lot. But Hassan Reddick would have been dymamite, and even Reuben Foster, despite my concerns of future failed drug tests (I know it isn't confirmed that his diluted sample was intentional, but I doubt it wasn't).

It is what it is, though. At least they got a good player.

|Mitch| · 04-28-2017, 09:19 AM

What about this guy with one of our picks today:

Derek Rivers, DE/OLB, Youngstown State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 248. Arm: 32.75.
40 Time: 4.61.
Projected Round (2017): 2-4.
4/26/17: Rivers ran fast at the combine and showed some athleticism. As a senior, he totaled 58 tackles with 19.5 tackles for a loss, 14 sacks, one forced fumble and one pass batted. Rivers showed his pass-rush skills with eight sacks as a junior and 13 as a sophomore. He could end up being a second-day pick.

burningmetal · 04-28-2017, 09:26 AM

Rivers is very intriguing. Maybe the dark horse of all defenders in this draft, because his stats are so impressive, and his competition was so... Not. It's hard to know what to expect from him, but he's definitely worth a shot at some point in day two, if a guy like Tarell Basham isn't there anymore.

rezburna · 04-28-2017, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Urban Meyer isn't the only coach or program who puts out players. There are other top programs who put out just as many, and more, and with higher rates of pro success than Ohio State. I don't have hate for their players. Heck, there have been players I've wanted from there.

It just gets weird when better prospects are often passed on to feed the seeming infatuation of getting OSU players. I like Lattimore a lot. But Hassan Reddick would have been dymamite, and even Reuben Foster, despite my concerns of future failed drug tests (I know it isn't confirmed that his diluted sample was intentional, but I doubt it wasn't).

It is what it is, though. At least they got a good player.

I don't think that was the case with Lattimore. He was projected as high as 5th overall to the Titans. Many had him rated as one of the top 5 players in this entire draft class. Most people didn't even expect him to fall to us. I think another gift fell to us just like Sheldon Rankins, who didn't have injury issues, but ended up injured anyway.

Seer1 · 04-28-2017, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Urban Meyer isn't the only coach or program who puts out players. There are other top programs who put out just as many, and more, and with higher rates of pro success than Ohio State. I don't have hate for their players. Heck, there have been players I've wanted from there.

It just gets weird when better prospects are often passed on to feed the seeming infatuation of getting OSU players. I like Lattimore a lot. But Hassan Reddick would have been dymamite, and even Reuben Foster, despite my concerns of future failed drug tests (I know it isn't confirmed that his diluted sample was intentional, but I doubt it wasn't).

It is what it is, though. At least they got a good player.

Urban will soon surpass Les in his recruiting and of and having more pro ready players in the draft. LSU will soon be in second place in having the most former players in the NFL. As far as the Saints passing up better prospects in order to draft tOSU players? (Reddick vs Lattimore?) That's just spurious.

foreverfan · 04-28-2017, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

players the saints will not draft because I want them

Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr
Tarell Basham DE Ohio 6036 269 4.70 #93 Sr
George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.53 #46 rSr

another CB? write them off also because of me

Kevin King CB/FS/SS Washington 6032 200 4.43 #20 Sr
Fabian Moreau CB UCLA 6004 206 4.35 #10 rSr
Quincy Wilson CB/FS Florida 6012 211 4.54 #6 Jr
Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado 5113 205 4.44 #4 Sr

Waste of time is long with you...

burningmetal · 04-28-2017, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I don't think that was the case with Lattimore. He was projected as high as 5th overall to the Titans. Many had him rated as one of the top 5 players in this entire draft class. Most people didn't even expect him to fall to us. I think another gift fell to us just like Sheldon Rankins, who didn't have injury issues, but ended up injured anyway.

I'm well aware of how highly projected Lattimore was, and I have said at every mention that I like him. I just think there were dynamic play makers, up front, who would seem to be a higher priority. Best player available is always the cop out response, I know, but if we're honest with ourselves we should have learned by now that the back end of your defense can only do so much if they have to cover all day, or if we are getting gashed in the run game.

We have some really good D-linemen, but we lack enough true pass rushers, and we really are hurting for depth up front.

All that said, again, I like Lattimore and think he'll be very good.

04-28-2017, 09:06 AM	#21
Threaded by rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,075 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by hagan714 I only say it because of the lack of love for LSU players I don't know why Payton kept passing up on all that talent LSU puts out.
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04-28-2017, 09:07 AM	#22
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Day 2: I could give a crap where they're from. I only care where they're goin'. jnormand likes this.

04-28-2017, 09:15 AM	#23
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Day 2: Just about every expert claimed this draft was 3 or 4 rounds deep with good quality pass rush prospects. I'm not gonna panic just because we didn't draft in in the 1st round. We got the #1 CB, and the #1 OT. Thats a good day. jnormand, AsylumGuido and Seer1 like this.

04-28-2017, 09:17 AM	#24
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Day 2: Urban Meyer isn't the only coach or program who puts out players. There are other top programs who put out just as many, and more, and with higher rates of pro success than Ohio State. I don't have hate for their players. Heck, there have been players I've wanted from there. It just gets weird when better prospects are often passed on to feed the seeming infatuation of getting OSU players. I like Lattimore a lot. But Hassan Reddick would have been dymamite, and even Reuben Foster, despite my concerns of future failed drug tests (I know it isn't confirmed that his diluted sample was intentional, but I doubt it wasn't). It is what it is, though. At least they got a good player.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

04-28-2017, 09:19 AM	#25
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Day 2: What about this guy with one of our picks today: Derek Rivers, DE/OLB, Youngstown State Height: 6-4. Weight: 248. Arm: 32.75. 40 Time: 4.61. Projected Round (2017): 2-4. 4/26/17: Rivers ran fast at the combine and showed some athleticism. As a senior, he totaled 58 tackles with 19.5 tackles for a loss, 14 sacks, one forced fumble and one pass batted. Rivers showed his pass-rush skills with eight sacks as a junior and 13 as a sophomore. He could end up being a second-day pick. Danno and K Major like this.

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04-28-2017, 09:26 AM	#26
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Day 2: Rivers is very intriguing. Maybe the dark horse of all defenders in this draft, because his stats are so impressive, and his competition was so... Not. It's hard to know what to expect from him, but he's definitely worth a shot at some point in day two, if a guy like Tarell Basham isn't there anymore.

04-28-2017, 09:45 AM	#27
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,075	Re: Day 2: Originally Posted by burningmetal Urban Meyer isn't the only coach or program who puts out players. There are other top programs who put out just as many, and more, and with higher rates of pro success than Ohio State. I don't have hate for their players. Heck, there have been players I've wanted from there. It just gets weird when better prospects are often passed on to feed the seeming infatuation of getting OSU players. I like Lattimore a lot. But Hassan Reddick would have been dymamite, and even Reuben Foster, despite my concerns of future failed drug tests (I know it isn't confirmed that his diluted sample was intentional, but I doubt it wasn't). It is what it is, though. At least they got a good player. I don't think that was the case with Lattimore. He was projected as high as 5th overall to the Titans. Many had him rated as one of the top 5 players in this entire draft class. Most people didn't even expect him to fall to us. I think another gift fell to us just like Sheldon Rankins, who didn't have injury issues, but ended up injured anyway.

04-28-2017, 09:53 AM	#28
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Day 2: Originally Posted by burningmetal Urban Meyer isn't the only coach or program who puts out players. There are other top programs who put out just as many, and more, and with higher rates of pro success than Ohio State. I don't have hate for their players. Heck, there have been players I've wanted from there. It just gets weird when better prospects are often passed on to feed the seeming infatuation of getting OSU players. I like Lattimore a lot. But Hassan Reddick would have been dymamite, and even Reuben Foster, despite my concerns of future failed drug tests (I know it isn't confirmed that his diluted sample was intentional, but I doubt it wasn't). It is what it is, though. At least they got a good player. Urban will soon surpass Les in his recruiting and of and having more pro ready players in the draft. LSU will soon be in second place in having the most former players in the NFL. As far as the Saints passing up better prospects in order to draft tOSU players? (Reddick vs Lattimore?) That's just spurious.

04-28-2017, 09:56 AM	#29
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Day 2: Originally Posted by hagan714 players the saints will not draft because I want them Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr Tarell Basham DE Ohio 6036 269 4.70 #93 Sr George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.53 #46 rSr another CB? write them off also because of me Kevin King CB/FS/SS Washington 6032 200 4.43 #20 Sr Fabian Moreau CB UCLA 6004 206 4.35 #10 rSr Quincy Wilson CB/FS Florida 6012 211 4.54 #6 Jr Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado 5113 205 4.44 #4 Sr Waste of time is long with you...

04-28-2017, 09:57 AM	#30
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Day 2: Originally Posted by rezburna I don't think that was the case with Lattimore. He was projected as high as 5th overall to the Titans. Many had him rated as one of the top 5 players in this entire draft class. Most people didn't even expect him to fall to us. I think another gift fell to us just like Sheldon Rankins, who didn't have injury issues, but ended up injured anyway. I'm well aware of how highly projected Lattimore was, and I have said at every mention that I like him. I just think there were dynamic play makers, up front, who would seem to be a higher priority. Best player available is always the cop out response, I know, but if we're honest with ourselves we should have learned by now that the back end of your defense can only do so much if they have to cover all day, or if we are getting gashed in the run game. We have some really good D-linemen, but we lack enough true pass rushers, and we really are hurting for depth up front. All that said, again, I like Lattimore and think he'll be very good.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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