Saints reconsidering Riley at RT/Mayberry at LG and Howard n

GumboBC · 03-25-2005, 01:31 PM

There is still a chance that former Philadelphia guard Jermane Mayberry, expected to move to right tackle with his new team, the New Orleans Saints, will stay at his old position. Now that the price tag for unrestricted free agent Victor Riley had dropped in a sluggish market, the Saints are considering re-signing the man who started for them at right tackle in each of the last two seasons. If they do regain Riley, it would probably mean Mayberry will play left guard. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Two months after Saints officials announced that coach Jim Haslett would receive a two-year contract extension, the deal still isn't completed. New Orleans brass still insists the add-on will get done, but doesn't seem to be in much hurry to finish the extension.

The Oakland Raiders are the latest team to have trade discussions with New Orleans officials about "franchise" defensive end Darren Howard. They join Dallas and about five other teams that have sniffed around the five-year veteran, although the Cowboys, of course, have been the most ardent suitors. Not surprisingly, the names dangled by the Raiders in the trade talks are cornerbacks Charles Woodson and Phillip Buchanon. Oakland already has added one new defensive end, former Philadelphia starter Derrick Burgess, as a free agent, but feels Howard would further upgrade the position. The Saints aren't likely to take on Woodson's current salary-cap charge of $10.53 million. Lowering that number would mean negotiating a long-term contract for Woodson and that would mean dealing with his agents, the always-difficult tandem of brothers Carl and Kevin Poston. Buchanon, who the Raiders might be even more desperate to jettison than Woodson, is coming off a lackluster 2004 season. Buchanon has a new agent, though, in Drew Rosenhaus, who also represents starting cornerback Mike McKenzie, and who has a knack for getting his clients motivated. The smart money says Howard still winds up in Dallas, but keep an eye on the Raiders now, too. Meanwhile, Saints coach Jim Haslett suggested this week that, if Howard isn't traded by draft day, New Orleans will simply keep him for 2005. Don't read too much into that claim

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...=2021162&num=3

[Edited on 25/3/2005 by GumboBC]

[Edited on 25/3/2005 by GumboBC]

JKool · 03-25-2005, 01:52 PM

Riley!

Let\'s put him at guard; maybe he can hear the snap count from there. Mayberry isn\'t a proven tackle, but I\'ve recently heard many good things about him - I feel he is an upgrade over Riley anyway!

I\'m not sure what I think about the Woodson/Buchannon thing. I still salivate when I think about the corners we\'d have, but not being able to stop the run is a MUCH higher priority - the addition of McKenzie (and his subsequent perfomrance) has taken CB off my list of needs. In fact, I\'d rather get a super-star SS - that way Smith will really be free to cover the field! Damn. It would be difficult to pass on Buchannon or even Woodson (with a cap-friendly re-structure, of course).

Buchannon-Smith-Mitchell/Bellamy-McKenzie! Would there be any better in the NFL?

Still, I\'d only go for it we were going to get a 1st or 2nd rounder with which to get a LB! Of course, with a second 2nd, we could package them... maybe we could get DJ? Probably a pipe dream though.

bignic26 · 03-25-2005, 01:52 PM

For the love of God!!! Why are they thinking about bringing False Start Riley back? Looks like they\'re not so sure about Mayberry being able to play right tackle.

Danno · 03-25-2005, 01:55 PM

There is still a chance that former Philadelphia guard Jermane Mayberry, expected to move to right tackle with his new team, the New Orleans Saints, will stay at his old position. Now that the price tag for unrestricted free agent Victor Riley had dropped in a sluggish market, the Saints are considering re-signing the man who started for them at right tackle in each of the last two seasons. If they do regain Riley, it would probably mean Mayberry will play left guard

Don\'t laugh. It might not be as ridiculous as you think. If there\'s one constant about Riley, its his up and down career. He is exactly the kind of player who follows a bad year with a good one, but he just as well follows a good one with a bad one.

I have no problem bringing him back at a reduced salary. If he still sux, cut him, on national TV, during halftime.

[Edited on 25/3/2005 by Danno]

bignic26 · 03-25-2005, 01:55 PM

Buchannon-Smith-Mitchell/Bellamy-McKenzie! Would there be any better in the NFL?

Uh yes, see Ravens.

GumboBC · 03-25-2005, 02:00 PM

Strength & Conditioning coach Rock Gullickson yesterday reported that Victor Riley came into camp more over-weight than Jonathan Sullian and it really affected his whole season.

I agree with Danno. I could live with giving Riley another chance. If he plays good then we\'d have a better O-line. If not, Mayberry just goes to RT.

saintswhodi · 03-25-2005, 02:35 PM

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Buchannon-Smith-Mitchell/Bellamy-McKenzie! Would there be any better in the NFL?
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Uh yes, see Ravens.

And now Minnesota.

no_cloning · 03-26-2005, 10:09 AM

Can\'t believe I\'m saying this, but ... yes, I\'m so uncomfortable with Mayberry at RT that I would take Riley back at a reduced salary (all the while hoping Stinchcomb may take over during the season).

As someone else pointed out - sorry, forgot, credit to whoever - Oakland doesn\'t have a first rounder anymore and therefore will be less inclined to give up their 2nd rounder. A trade Howard for Buchanon would likely be straight-up. Would be nice if some other teams show interest and Dallas finally makes an official offer.

papz · 03-26-2005, 10:45 AM

[quote:dabdaf28cf]
I have no problem bringing him back at a reduced salary. If he still sux, cut him, on national TV, during halftime.

:rollinglaugh:

jnormand · 03-26-2005, 11:02 AM

I\'m with JKool on this. Our defensive backfield should be much improved with the addition of Smith and McKenzie for an entire season. I think the Saints really need to focus on stopping the run, and that starts with getting a proven LB or DT. It would be nice to have Woodson or Buchanon, though. If we were to pick up Buchanon, do you guys think there is anyway they could use the LB\'s and DT\'s we have to actually improve our D against the run? (If we didn\'t draft a good LB or DT)

03-25-2005, 01:31 PM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Saints reconsidering Riley at RT/Mayberry at LG and Howard n There is still a chance that former Philadelphia guard Jermane Mayberry, expected to move to right tackle with his new team, the New Orleans Saints, will stay at his old position. Now that the price tag for unrestricted free agent Victor Riley had dropped in a sluggish market, the Saints are considering re-signing the man who started for them at right tackle in each of the last two seasons. If they do regain Riley, it would probably mean Mayberry will play left guard. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Two months after Saints officials announced that coach Jim Haslett would receive a two-year contract extension, the deal still isn't completed. New Orleans brass still insists the add-on will get done, but doesn't seem to be in much hurry to finish the extension. The Oakland Raiders are the latest team to have trade discussions with New Orleans officials about "franchise" defensive end Darren Howard. They join Dallas and about five other teams that have sniffed around the five-year veteran, although the Cowboys, of course, have been the most ardent suitors. Not surprisingly, the names dangled by the Raiders in the trade talks are cornerbacks Charles Woodson and Phillip Buchanon. Oakland already has added one new defensive end, former Philadelphia starter Derrick Burgess, as a free agent, but feels Howard would further upgrade the position. The Saints aren't likely to take on Woodson's current salary-cap charge of $10.53 million. Lowering that number would mean negotiating a long-term contract for Woodson and that would mean dealing with his agents, the always-difficult tandem of brothers Carl and Kevin Poston. Buchanon, who the Raiders might be even more desperate to jettison than Woodson, is coming off a lackluster 2004 season. Buchanon has a new agent, though, in Drew Rosenhaus, who also represents starting cornerback Mike McKenzie, and who has a knack for getting his clients motivated. The smart money says Howard still winds up in Dallas, but keep an eye on the Raiders now, too. Meanwhile, Saints coach Jim Haslett suggested this week that, if Howard isn't traded by draft day, New Orleans will simply keep him for 2005. Don't read too much into that claim http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...=2021162&num=3 [Edited on 25/3/2005 by GumboBC] [Edited on 25/3/2005 by GumboBC]
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03-25-2005, 01:52 PM	#2
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Saints reconsidering Riley at RT/Mayberry at LG and Howard n Riley! Let\'s put him at guard; maybe he can hear the snap count from there. Mayberry isn\'t a proven tackle, but I\'ve recently heard many good things about him - I feel he is an upgrade over Riley anyway! I\'m not sure what I think about the Woodson/Buchannon thing. I still salivate when I think about the corners we\'d have, but not being able to stop the run is a MUCH higher priority - the addition of McKenzie (and his subsequent perfomrance) has taken CB off my list of needs. In fact, I\'d rather get a super-star SS - that way Smith will really be free to cover the field! Damn. It would be difficult to pass on Buchannon or even Woodson (with a cap-friendly re-structure, of course). Buchannon-Smith-Mitchell/Bellamy-McKenzie! Would there be any better in the NFL? Still, I\'d only go for it we were going to get a 1st or 2nd rounder with which to get a LB! Of course, with a second 2nd, we could package them... maybe we could get DJ? Probably a pipe dream though.
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bignic26 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 122	Saints reconsidering Riley at RT/Mayberry at LG and Howard n For the love of God!!! Why are they thinking about bringing False Start Riley back? Looks like they\'re not so sure about Mayberry being able to play right tackle.
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03-25-2005, 01:55 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Saints reconsidering Riley at RT/Mayberry at LG and Howard n There is still a chance that former Philadelphia guard Jermane Mayberry, expected to move to right tackle with his new team, the New Orleans Saints, will stay at his old position. Now that the price tag for unrestricted free agent Victor Riley had dropped in a sluggish market, the Saints are considering re-signing the man who started for them at right tackle in each of the last two seasons. If they do regain Riley, it would probably mean Mayberry will play left guard Don\'t laugh. It might not be as ridiculous as you think. If there\'s one constant about Riley, its his up and down career. He is exactly the kind of player who follows a bad year with a good one, but he just as well follows a good one with a bad one. I have no problem bringing him back at a reduced salary. If he still sux, cut him, on national TV, during halftime. [Edited on 25/3/2005 by Danno]

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GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Saints reconsidering Riley at RT/Mayberry at LG and Howard n Strength & Conditioning coach Rock Gullickson yesterday reported that Victor Riley came into camp more over-weight than Jonathan Sullian and it really affected his whole season. I agree with Danno. I could live with giving Riley another chance. If he plays good then we\'d have a better O-line. If not, Mayberry just goes to RT.
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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Saints reconsidering Riley at RT/Mayberry at LG and Howard n quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buchannon-Smith-Mitchell/Bellamy-McKenzie! Would there be any better in the NFL? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uh yes, see Ravens. And now Minnesota.

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no_cloning 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 249	Saints reconsidering Riley at RT/Mayberry at LG and Howard n Can\'t believe I\'m saying this, but ... yes, I\'m so uncomfortable with Mayberry at RT that I would take Riley back at a reduced salary (all the while hoping Stinchcomb may take over during the season). As someone else pointed out - sorry, forgot, credit to whoever - Oakland doesn\'t have a first rounder anymore and therefore will be less inclined to give up their 2nd rounder. A trade Howard for Buchanon would likely be straight-up. Would be nice if some other teams show interest and Dallas finally makes an official offer.
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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Saints reconsidering Riley at RT/Mayberry at LG and Howard n [quote:dabdaf28cf] I have no problem bringing him back at a reduced salary. If he still sux, cut him, on national TV, during halftime. :rollinglaugh:

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	Saints reconsidering Riley at RT/Mayberry at LG and Howard n I\'m with JKool on this. Our defensive backfield should be much improved with the addition of Smith and McKenzie for an entire season. I think the Saints really need to focus on stopping the run, and that starts with getting a proven LB or DT. It would be nice to have Woodson or Buchanon, though. If we were to pick up Buchanon, do you guys think there is anyway they could use the LB\'s and DT\'s we have to actually improve our D against the run? (If we didn\'t draft a good LB or DT)