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Thoughts on our WR corp
With the loss of Brandin Cooks, I, personally, was hoping to get a WR around the 3rd round or so to fill that void. Someone who produced at the college level and could come in and contribute immediately. After Michael Thomas and WIllie Snead, our receivers are very lackluster. Brandon Coleman is still inconsistent and never maximizes his size and height advantage. Ted Ginn is known for dropping passes and inconsistency. Now, we all know Drew makes receivers better, but Coleman is still Coleman and that isn't going to change. At TE, Fleener was inconsistent also, and our other TEs are backups. Hopefully the running game being improved, with a stronger offensive line, can open up more for less talented receivers like Coleman and Ginn, but, overall, I feel our WR corp has regressed, as a whole, this offseason. What are your thoughts?
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It is what it is and Drew will have to make the most of what he has once again.
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While I agree that the WR group isn't as talented with the loss of Cooks, I also believe the offense will be just as good. I expect to see a lot more play action type throws than we've seen in the last couple seasons. I think that's the heart of it all.
That said, Michael Thomas and Willie Snead provide a very good 1-2 punch. Coleman and some other receivers that have been buried on the depth chart will get a chance to show what they've got. Sean Payton likes his toys. Everyone knows that. He's an offensive minded coach and enjoys deploying his high powered offensive aerial attack. There's no way he traded Cooks without having a plan in place or an idea of who is going to step up next. He's done it for years. The offense will still be firing on all cylinders. |
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We have two strong WR's. A lot of teams don't even have one. Thomas was also a rookie. Somebody else will emerge in PS. Maybe Travin Dural or one of the others we stashed. Ginn is likely not going to help that much but you never know.
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You left out 3 tight ends, 2 rbs and a fullback. Those positions catch more in Payton's offense than most.
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Ginn and Kamara will fill that void nicely
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Another thing to think about - I think our offensive line is going to be one of the best in the league this year. We've got two new stud players with Warford and Ramczyk, and we'll also get back a healthy Armstead. What that means is that Brees will have more time in the pocket and not have to rush his throws as much as he's had to in the past two years. This will help our receivers tremendously.
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Curtis Johnson is back.... im not worried....
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I think now with a more balanced offense you will see our we crew excel. With AP, MIA running and the rookie catching passes out of the backfield they will have to respect the run. Been awhile since drew had a running game that could take over if needed. You will see drew throw a lot less this year in my opinion. Tds will go up, yardage will still be around 5000.even flee we will shine with a running game. AP may actually make us a 50/50 team. Can't wait to see our running backs catching screens and swing passes.
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I'm curious to see how Coach Johnson can coach-up Coleman into a better WR. He's made some great grabs but the inconsistency makes this year a make or break one for him. Whoever has hands we can hope proves themselves in camp.
16 Coleman, Brandon WR 6-6 225 24 2 Rutgers 11 Fuller, Corey WR 6-2 200 26 3 Virginia Tech Ginn, Ted WR 5-11 180 32 11 Ohio State 19 Lampman, Jake WR 6-0 205 23 R Ferris State Lawrence, Rashad WR 6-2 203 24 2 Northwestern 87 Lewis, Tommylee WR 5-7 168 24 R Northern Illinois 83 Snead IV, Willie WR 5-11 195 24 2 Ball State 13 Thomas, Michael WR 6-3 212 24 R Ohio State 81 Williams-Lambert, Jordan WR 6-3 228 22 R Ball State |
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I'll be surprised if Coleman makes it through training camp.
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Brandon might be the best 4th WR in the league. I see shades of him putting his size to his advantage. Some would say he's turned a corner in New Orleans. I just don't think Coach Payton is looking to cut a young, cheap WR who has shown steady improvement. Now factor in Curtis Johnson as his coach. Fuller could challenge him though :cool:. |
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I think it would help to bring in a veteran possession receiver like Boldin. If not we have to hope another Lance Moore-type emerges or it could be a heavy load on Thomas and Snead this year. I just don't see Ginn as a full-time weapon.
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its time for brandon coleman to shed the diapers and get after a no#2 receiver spot reserved for him, needs to show in training camp that he will make the transition this year or he will be hacked down the line. but like a someone posted earlier that hes a cheap no# 3 or 4 receiver and mick and payton puts up with his inconsistencies , i like coleman he has progressed in the last couple of seasons and i'm calling him out the season , lets get it going bro. your payday is waiting.
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He has some pretty intense competition this year...
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I hear this is the year Onomo Ojo is really going step up!
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Last year I really thought Coleman wouldn't make it through training camp. His body language looked like he was just going through the motions and ready to get cut. He and Fleener were both lazy looking and didn't seem to match the intensity on the rest of the team.
Coleman did surprise me last year as the #4 receiver but like Josh Hill I think he has maxed out and there is better talent out there. |
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He's also dangerous on special teams (kick off/punt returns). |
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Championship! |
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Are you "positive"?
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If Newton can make him look decent Brees will get him a little further. Still would have loved to see Pryor but the price was too high.
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I'd like us to take a look at Dorial Green-Beckham who just got released by the Eagles. His size speed combination is intriguing and he haven't really played with any QBs worth mentioning with the Titans and Eagles.
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Drew Brees Best Statistical Regular Season was in 2011 when he completed 71.2% of his passes for 5476 PaYds with 46 PaTD and 14 INT...
His three wide receivers that season were Marques Colston, Lance Moore, and Devery Henderson... Brees' wide receivers this season will be Michael Thomas, Willie Snead the IV, Ted Ginn... A younger, healthier Thomas compares well to Colston; Snead the IV would be an upgrade over Moore; and Ginn as well over Henderson... Oh, and the other two receivers in 2011 were Robert Meachem, Courtney Roby; we'll be going to camp choosing at least two from - Brandon Coleman, Jake Lampman, Corey Fuller, Travin Duval, Jordan Williams, Tommy Lewis, and Justin Thomas - all are better receivers than Meach and Roby... Oh, sticking with my coaching theme this off-season, 2011 was the last season we had WR Coach Curtis Johnson before he left to be HC at Tulane... So don't be surprised if Brandon Coleman's game, or any of the others in the 2017 WR pool become standouts as well this year... |
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I've been looking at Coleman and it is just painful.
I've been pulling for him and hoping he cuts some teeth, but DAYUM! Praying that he's a late bloomer against all I've seen so far. He can't get separation and he STILL has trouble in traffic. His best days are in zones. The game just has not slowed down yet for him. At this level you have to be good in the moments. He's still around because no one else has stepped up to fill the void. I'm hoping someone can focus enough to be excellent during the 5-6 targets per game that are available for that spot. Our 3 & 4 spots are wide open. I'm just hoping for the best. |
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It happened in the NY game when he had a chance to make a big catch and get us in the redzone. He had an awful training camp and preseason, yet Payton gives him an automatic spot, just like Cadet. |
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As I said, let's see what Curtis Johnson can do with Coleman et al through at least one training camp...
Coach Curtis is considered one of the league's best at coaching receivers; then judge the range of improvement... |
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The expectations from a UDFA have become a bit much. BC is young, cheap and has shown improvement every year. The guy is a solid #4 WR.
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Then there's the RBs and Ingram was among the league leaders and Kamara should adequately replace the Jack RB that Reggie/Sproles filled... According to PFF, Coleman caught 68% of his passes, up from 61% his rookie year... Also, consider this - there's the salary cap and we just traded Brandin Cooks because we can't afford to keep three X receivers... Even Snead knows his role and his earnings ceiling... |
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