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jjasso007 05-02-2017 03:34 PM

Thoughts on our WR corp
 
With the loss of Brandin Cooks, I, personally, was hoping to get a WR around the 3rd round or so to fill that void. Someone who produced at the college level and could come in and contribute immediately. After Michael Thomas and WIllie Snead, our receivers are very lackluster. Brandon Coleman is still inconsistent and never maximizes his size and height advantage. Ted Ginn is known for dropping passes and inconsistency. Now, we all know Drew makes receivers better, but Coleman is still Coleman and that isn't going to change. At TE, Fleener was inconsistent also, and our other TEs are backups. Hopefully the running game being improved, with a stronger offensive line, can open up more for less talented receivers like Coleman and Ginn, but, overall, I feel our WR corp has regressed, as a whole, this offseason. What are your thoughts?

hagan714 05-02-2017 04:00 PM

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It is what it is and Drew will have to make the most of what he has once again.

jnormand 05-02-2017 04:01 PM

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While I agree that the WR group isn't as talented with the loss of Cooks, I also believe the offense will be just as good. I expect to see a lot more play action type throws than we've seen in the last couple seasons. I think that's the heart of it all.

That said, Michael Thomas and Willie Snead provide a very good 1-2 punch. Coleman and some other receivers that have been buried on the depth chart will get a chance to show what they've got.

Sean Payton likes his toys. Everyone knows that. He's an offensive minded coach and enjoys deploying his high powered offensive aerial attack. There's no way he traded Cooks without having a plan in place or an idea of who is going to step up next.

He's done it for years. The offense will still be firing on all cylinders.

Beastmode 05-02-2017 04:04 PM

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We have two strong WR's. A lot of teams don't even have one. Thomas was also a rookie. Somebody else will emerge in PS. Maybe Travin Dural or one of the others we stashed. Ginn is likely not going to help that much but you never know.

saintsfan1976 05-02-2017 07:44 PM

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You left out 3 tight ends, 2 rbs and a fullback. Those positions catch more in Payton's offense than most.

Danno 05-02-2017 08:05 PM

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Ginn and Kamara will fill that void nicely

44Champs 05-02-2017 08:39 PM

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Another thing to think about - I think our offensive line is going to be one of the best in the league this year. We've got two new stud players with Warford and Ramczyk, and we'll also get back a healthy Armstead. What that means is that Brees will have more time in the pocket and not have to rush his throws as much as he's had to in the past two years. This will help our receivers tremendously.

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AllSaints 05-02-2017 08:42 PM

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Curtis Johnson is back.... im not worried....

WillSaints81 05-02-2017 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 748713)
While I agree that the WR group isn't as talented with the loss of Cooks, I also believe the offense will be just as good. I expect to see a lot more play action type throws than we've seen in the last couple seasons. I think that's the heart of it all.

That said, Michael Thomas and Willie Snead provide a very good 1-2 punch. Coleman and some other receivers that have been buried on the depth chart will get a chance to show what they've got.

Sean Payton likes his toys. Everyone knows that. He's an offensive minded coach and enjoys deploying his high powered offensive aerial attack. There's no way he traded Cooks without having a plan in place or an idea of who is going to step up next.

He's done it for years. The offense will still be firing on all cylinders.

He has not always had a plan in place. Ginn and Coleman are going to be under microscopes in third down and clutch situations. and do we really know what Payton's gameplan is? People assume this is gonna happen but Payton has not ever gone through with what people assumed.

voodooido 05-03-2017 12:14 AM

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I think now with a more balanced offense you will see our we crew excel. With AP, MIA running and the rookie catching passes out of the backfield they will have to respect the run. Been awhile since drew had a running game that could take over if needed. You will see drew throw a lot less this year in my opinion. Tds will go up, yardage will still be around 5000.even flee we will shine with a running game. AP may actually make us a 50/50 team. Can't wait to see our running backs catching screens and swing passes.

cars4dylan 05-03-2017 06:56 AM

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I'm curious to see how Coach Johnson can coach-up Coleman into a better WR. He's made some great grabs but the inconsistency makes this year a make or break one for him. Whoever has hands we can hope proves themselves in camp.

16 Coleman, Brandon WR 6-6 225 24 2 Rutgers
11 Fuller, Corey WR 6-2 200 26 3 Virginia Tech
Ginn, Ted WR 5-11 180 32 11 Ohio State
19 Lampman, Jake WR 6-0 205 23 R Ferris State
Lawrence, Rashad WR 6-2 203 24 2 Northwestern
87 Lewis, Tommylee WR 5-7 168 24 R Northern Illinois
83 Snead IV, Willie WR 5-11 195 24 2 Ball State
13 Thomas, Michael WR 6-3 212 24 R Ohio State
81 Williams-Lambert, Jordan WR 6-3 228 22 R Ball State

Seer1 05-03-2017 07:09 AM

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I'll be surprised if Coleman makes it through training camp.

K Major 05-03-2017 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 748825)
I'll be surprised if Coleman makes it through training camp.

I see it differently.

Brandon might be the best 4th WR in the league. I see shades of him putting his size to his advantage. Some would say he's turned a corner in New Orleans. I just don't think Coach Payton is looking to cut a young, cheap WR who has shown steady improvement. Now factor in Curtis Johnson as his coach.

Fuller could challenge him though :cool:.

neugey 05-03-2017 08:04 AM

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I think it would help to bring in a veteran possession receiver like Boldin. If not we have to hope another Lance Moore-type emerges or it could be a heavy load on Thomas and Snead this year. I just don't see Ginn as a full-time weapon.

K Major 05-03-2017 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 748832)
I think it would help to bring in a veteran possession receiver like Boldin.

I'd prefer a player like Eric Decker (assuming he gets released). Good red zone option.

Beastmode 05-03-2017 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 748832)
I think it would help to bring in a veteran possession receiver like Boldin. If not we have to hope another Lance Moore-type emerges or it could be a heavy load on Thomas and Snead this year. I just don't see Ginn as a full-time weapon.

Almost 37 and likely sitting out of any training camps. Not going to work. As Colston said, have to put in the reps, master the routes.

st thomas 05-03-2017 09:06 AM

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its time for brandon coleman to shed the diapers and get after a no#2 receiver spot reserved for him, needs to show in training camp that he will make the transition this year or he will be hacked down the line. but like a someone posted earlier that hes a cheap no# 3 or 4 receiver and mick and payton puts up with his inconsistencies , i like coleman he has progressed in the last couple of seasons and i'm calling him out the season , lets get it going bro. your payday is waiting.

Seer1 05-03-2017 09:14 AM

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He has some pretty intense competition this year...

turbo_dog 05-03-2017 11:36 AM

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I hear this is the year Onomo Ojo is really going step up!

ScottF 05-03-2017 12:23 PM

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Sammy Wadkins?

Bills decline to pick up WR Sammy Watkins' option - NFL.com

Seer1 05-03-2017 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 748862)

It sounds like he's having problems with his foot. Wonder how bad it is?

Rugby Saint II 05-03-2017 12:31 PM

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Last year I really thought Coleman wouldn't make it through training camp. His body language looked like he was just going through the motions and ready to get cut. He and Fleener were both lazy looking and didn't seem to match the intensity on the rest of the team.

Coleman did surprise me last year as the #4 receiver but like Josh Hill I think he has maxed out and there is better talent out there.

Seer1 05-03-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 748864)
Last year I really thought Coleman wouldn't make it through training camp. His body language looked like he was just going through the motions and ready to get cut. He and Fleener were both lazy looking and didn't seem to match the intensity on the rest of the team.

Coleman did surprise me last year as the #4 receiver but like Josh Hill I think he has maxed out and there is better talent out there.

Actually, we may very well have already acquired it!

ScottF 05-03-2017 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 748864)
Last year I really thought Coleman wouldn't make it through training camp. His body language looked like he was just going through the motions and ready to get cut. He and Fleener were both lazy looking and didn't seem to match the intensity on the rest of the team.

Coleman did surprise me last year as the #4 receiver but like Josh Hill I think he has maxed out and there is better talent out there.

I think Hill lasts only as long as he is cheap. No real improvement shown year to year. Counting $2.6 against the cap might be his undoing if the Michael H can get healthy

AsylumGuido 05-03-2017 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 748862)

He is still under contract to the Bills through 2017. The fifth year option has to be declared in May prior to the fourth year. The Bills will still have the option of signing him to an extension if he stays healthy.

K Major 07-03-2017 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 748715)
We have two strong WR's. A lot of teams don't even have one. Thomas was also a rookie. Somebody else will emerge in PS. Maybe Travin Dural or one of the others we stashed. Ginn is likely not going to help that much but you never know.

I had to bring this thread back to life. NFL network featured the Saints passing attack last week and analysts mentioned how TG Jr could easily get off against bump/run and blocks downfield in 2016. Cooks was marginal at best in either department. I just find it hard to believe that some think Ted won't be able to help this ball club in this offense.

He's also dangerous on special teams (kick off/punt returns).

Papa Voodoo 07-03-2017 03:03 PM

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AsylumGuido 07-03-2017 03:12 PM

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Championship!

vpheughan 07-03-2017 05:30 PM

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Are you "positive"?

Seer1 07-03-2017 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 754202)
Are you "positive"?

YES! We are all positive around here, dammit!!!

Beastmode 07-03-2017 05:51 PM

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If Newton can make him look decent Brees will get him a little further. Still would have loved to see Pryor but the price was too high.

Crusader 07-03-2017 11:01 PM

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I'd like us to take a look at Dorial Green-Beckham who just got released by the Eagles. His size speed combination is intriguing and he haven't really played with any QBs worth mentioning with the Titans and Eagles.

K Major 07-03-2017 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 754213)
I'd like us to take a look at Dorial Green-Beckham who just got released by the Eagles. His size speed combination is intriguing and he haven't really played with any QBs worth mentioning with the Titans and Eagles.

I've read DGB has bad practice habits, lacking in effort and runs poor routes. Two teams have already given up on this guy...makes you wonder if there are character concerns the general public doesn't know about.

jeanpierre 07-04-2017 12:25 AM

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Drew Brees Best Statistical Regular Season was in 2011 when he completed 71.2% of his passes for 5476 PaYds with 46 PaTD and 14 INT...

His three wide receivers that season were Marques Colston, Lance Moore, and Devery Henderson...

Brees' wide receivers this season will be Michael Thomas, Willie Snead the IV, Ted Ginn...

A younger, healthier Thomas compares well to Colston; Snead the IV would be an upgrade over Moore; and Ginn as well over Henderson...

Oh, and the other two receivers in 2011 were Robert Meachem, Courtney Roby; we'll be going to camp choosing at least two from -

Brandon Coleman, Jake Lampman, Corey Fuller, Travin Duval, Jordan Williams, Tommy Lewis, and Justin Thomas - all are better receivers than Meach and Roby...

Oh, sticking with my coaching theme this off-season, 2011 was the last season we had WR Coach Curtis Johnson before he left to be HC at Tulane...

So don't be surprised if Brandon Coleman's game, or any of the others in the 2017 WR pool become standouts as well this year...

jeanpierre 07-04-2017 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 754213)
I'd like us to take a look at Dorial Green-Beckham who just got released by the Eagles. His size speed combination is intriguing and he haven't really played with any QBs worth mentioning with the Titans and Eagles.

We've got that player already in Brandon Coleman, only without all the drama baggage, dope, and active enabling parents - No F*cking Thank You...

darstep 07-04-2017 06:17 AM

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I've been looking at Coleman and it is just painful.
I've been pulling for him and hoping he cuts some teeth, but DAYUM!
Praying that he's a late bloomer against all I've seen so far.
He can't get separation and he STILL has trouble in traffic. His best days are in zones.
The game just has not slowed down yet for him. At this level you have to be good in the moments.
He's still around because no one else has stepped up to fill the void.
I'm hoping someone can focus enough to be excellent during the 5-6 targets per game
that are available for that spot.
Our 3 & 4 spots are wide open. I'm just hoping for the best.

dizzle88 07-04-2017 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 754226)
I've been looking at Coleman and it is just painful.
I've been pulling for him and hoping he cuts some teeth, but DAYUM!
Praying that he's a late bloomer against all I've seen so far.
He can't get separation and he STILL has trouble in traffic. His best days are in zones.
The game just has not slowed down yet for him. At this level you have to be good in the moments.
He's still around because no one else has stepped up to fill the void.
I'm hoping someone can focus enough to be excellent during the 5-6 targets per game
that are available for that spot.
Our 3 & 4 spots are wide open. I'm just hoping for the best.

I've lost count how many times he's dropped passes after absorbing a little contact.

It happened in the NY game when he had a chance to make a big catch and get us in the redzone.

He had an awful training camp and preseason, yet Payton gives him an automatic spot, just like Cadet.

jeanpierre 07-04-2017 08:18 AM

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As I said, let's see what Curtis Johnson can do with Coleman et al through at least one training camp...

Coach Curtis is considered one of the league's best at coaching receivers; then judge the range of improvement...

K Major 07-04-2017 10:13 AM

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The expectations from a UDFA have become a bit much. BC is young, cheap and has shown improvement every year. The guy is a solid #4 WR.

jeanpierre 07-04-2017 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 754241)
The expectations from a UDFA have become a bit much. BC is young, cheap and has shown improvement every year. The guy is a solid #4 WR.

Considering we just don't throw to WRs in this offense but we utilize the TE and FB probably more than anyone in the league...

Then there's the RBs and Ingram was among the league leaders and Kamara should adequately replace the Jack RB that Reggie/Sproles filled...

According to PFF, Coleman caught 68% of his passes, up from 61% his rookie year...

Also, consider this - there's the salary cap and we just traded Brandin Cooks because we can't afford to keep three X receivers...

Even Snead knows his role and his earnings ceiling...


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