Marcus Williams brings ball-hawking skills, leadership to Saints

K Major · 05-12-2017, 03:32 PM

Things that stick out to me on safety Marcus Williams:

(1) Played in a Pro style defense at Utah.
(2) Former WR (has really good hands).
(3) He takes football seriously.
(4) Ultra competitive.

Can't wait to see him on the field

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WillSaints81 · 05-12-2017, 11:08 PM

It would have been fine just saying ball-hawking skills. When a player reaches the NFL he's a lamb surrounded by sheep. Anthony was a "leader" too when he was drafted. It's just lame to call a rookie a leader.

K Major · 05-12-2017, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

It would have been fine just saying ball-hawking skills. When a player reaches the NFL he's a lamb surrounded by sheep. Anthony was a "leader" too when he was drafted. It's just lame to call a rookie a leader.

Seer1 · 05-13-2017, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

It would have been fine just saying ball-hawking skills. When a player reaches the NFL he's a lamb surrounded by sheep. Anthony was a "leader" too when he was drafted. It's just lame to call a rookie a leader.

Now you're making sense.

WillSaints81 · 05-13-2017, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

You cannot expect a late 20s and up player to want to listen to some 20-22 year old on the football field. Leaders are vets.

dizzle88 · 05-13-2017, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

You cannot expect a late 20s and up player to want to listen to some 20-22 year old on the football field. Leaders are vets.

Completely ridiculous statement.

Leadership is not based on age, leadership is proving you're the one people can look to and people can depend on.

If you had a defense that consisted of ten 30+ year old players and an early 20's version of Patrick Willis as an example, I know who I'd be listening to for leadership.

Seer1 · 05-13-2017, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Completely ridiculous statement.

Leadership is not based on age, leadership is proving you're the one people can look to and people can depend on.

If you had a defense that consisted of ten 30+ year old players and an early 20's version of Patrick Willis as an example, I know who I'd be listening to for leadership.

Maybe after his first training camp is over at least...

Rugby Saint II · 05-13-2017, 03:32 PM

The thing is leadership is earned. You may come in with high expectations and if you fulfill them then players/team mates will listen to what you have to say if it makes sense to them. As a coach I like the young guys to come in listening and getting adapted to the program. There is literally nothing worse than a rookie or player from another team trying to change the program before trying to fit into the established system.

These type of guys have haunted me in my coaching career. Which is why I like refereeing rugby.....no one except the captain can talk to you and they must refer to you as Sir.

WillSaints81 · 05-13-2017, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Completely ridiculous statement.

Leadership is not based on age, leadership is proving you're the one people can look to and people can depend on.

If you had a defense that consisted of ten 30+ year old players and an early 20's version of Patrick Willis as an example, I know who I'd be listening to for leadership.

Except Williams is likely to have a learning curve and not have it completely dialed in this season(as most rookies, even first rounders on defense, do). No way should someone like that be leading. And we already have a leader, his name is Ellerbe. and the leader of the secondary is clearly Vacarro.

dizzle88 · 05-13-2017, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Except Williams is likely to have a learning curve and not have it completely dialed in this season(as most rookies, even first rounders on defense, do). No way should someone like that be leading. And we already have a leader, his name is Ellerbe. and the leader of the secondary is clearly Vacarro.

If anyone is the leader of the LB's, it isn't ellerbe, it's Robertson.

That's the whole point, Williams has to prove he is a leader, but if he plays well, there's no reason vets on Defense shouldn't view him as a leader. Respect and leadership is earned.

05-12-2017, 03:32 PM	#11
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Marcus Williams brings ball-hawking skills, leadership to Saints Things that stick out to me on safety Marcus Williams: (1) Played in a Pro style defense at Utah. (2) Former WR (has really good hands). (3) He takes football seriously. (4) Ultra competitive. Can't wait to see him on the field .

05-12-2017, 11:08 PM	#12
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Marcus Williams brings ball-hawking skills, leadership to Saints It would have been fine just saying ball-hawking skills. When a player reaches the NFL he's a lamb surrounded by sheep. Anthony was a "leader" too when he was drafted. It's just lame to call a rookie a leader. MarchingOn likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Marcus Williams brings ball-hawking skills, leadership to Saints Originally Posted by WillSaints81 It would have been fine just saying ball-hawking skills. When a player reaches the NFL he's a lamb surrounded by sheep. Anthony was a "leader" too when he was drafted. It's just lame to call a rookie a leader.

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WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Marcus Williams brings ball-hawking skills, leadership to Saints Originally Posted by K Major You cannot expect a late 20s and up player to want to listen to some 20-22 year old on the football field. Leaders are vets.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Marcus Williams brings ball-hawking skills, leadership to Saints Originally Posted by WillSaints81 You cannot expect a late 20s and up player to want to listen to some 20-22 year old on the football field. Leaders are vets. Completely ridiculous statement. Leadership is not based on age, leadership is proving you're the one people can look to and people can depend on. If you had a defense that consisted of ten 30+ year old players and an early 20's version of Patrick Willis as an example, I know who I'd be listening to for leadership. \|Mitch\| likes this.

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Marcus Williams brings ball-hawking skills, leadership to Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Completely ridiculous statement. Leadership is not based on age, leadership is proving you're the one people can look to and people can depend on. If you had a defense that consisted of ten 30+ year old players and an early 20's version of Patrick Willis as an example, I know who I'd be listening to for leadership. Maybe after his first training camp is over at least...

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Marcus Williams brings ball-hawking skills, leadership to Saints The thing is leadership is earned. You may come in with high expectations and if you fulfill them then players/team mates will listen to what you have to say if it makes sense to them. As a coach I like the young guys to come in listening and getting adapted to the program. There is literally nothing worse than a rookie or player from another team trying to change the program before trying to fit into the established system. These type of guys have haunted me in my coaching career. Which is why I like refereeing rugby.....no one except the captain can talk to you and they must refer to you as Sir.
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05-13-2017, 06:44 PM	#19
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Marcus Williams brings ball-hawking skills, leadership to Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Completely ridiculous statement. Leadership is not based on age, leadership is proving you're the one people can look to and people can depend on. If you had a defense that consisted of ten 30+ year old players and an early 20's version of Patrick Willis as an example, I know who I'd be listening to for leadership. Except Williams is likely to have a learning curve and not have it completely dialed in this season(as most rookies, even first rounders on defense, do). No way should someone like that be leading. And we already have a leader, his name is Ellerbe. and the leader of the secondary is clearly Vacarro.

05-13-2017, 07:14 PM	#20
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Marcus Williams brings ball-hawking skills, leadership to Saints Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Except Williams is likely to have a learning curve and not have it completely dialed in this season(as most rookies, even first rounders on defense, do). No way should someone like that be leading. And we already have a leader, his name is Ellerbe. and the leader of the secondary is clearly Vacarro. If anyone is the leader of the LB's, it isn't ellerbe, it's Robertson. That's the whole point, Williams has to prove he is a leader, but if he plays well, there's no reason vets on Defense shouldn't view him as a leader. Respect and leadership is earned.

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