None of the ifs could come true until Vitt and McMahon we're sent packing. I remember Guido being right up there in the front row with me holding a torch and pitchfork. It's okay to be hopeful even with those huge obstacles on the coaching staff.

Didn't we win a superbowl with Vitt on the staff? I am not a fan of either coach, but seriously, come on. We had the 4rth ranked D in the league with those guys.

But remember Fujita, Shanle, Lofton and the great Jonathan Vilma were all veterans with 3+ years of NFL experience prior to NO. We have a new teacher in Nolan. Maybe Stephone will see and interpret things a little better in 2017. I'm sure Vitt is an awesome guy but he is no Nolan in terms of X's and O's at LB position. After the dust settles, lets see how this goes in 2017.

Change is good.

I am not a fan of either coach, but this is a load of bull**** that our 7-9 seasons (notice the plural there) have been due to those coaches. Bull****. It was because we had a lack of talent due to absolutely horrid drafting, terrible free agent acquisitions, and terrible cap management.

I think we will be better on defense this year, I mean christ it is hard not to be. That said, we have acquired more talent. To pretend that if we have an uptick in defense this year, say to 20th, is solely because of the new coaches is ludicrous. It isn't to say that won't have an impact, and you're right change is good, because it puts fire under people's asses sometimes.

We won a super bowl with those same coaches and there was a point in that season where both our starting CB's and one of our starting safeties were injured. 3/4 of our back end were out, we still won games. So give me a break.

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I am not a fan of either coach, but this is a load of bull**** that our 7-9 seasons (notice the plural there) have been due to those coaches. Bull****. It was because we had a lack of talent due to absolutely horrid drafting, terrible free agent acquisitions, and terrible cap management.

I think we will be better on defense this year, I mean christ it is hard not to be. That said, we have acquired more talent. To pretend that if we have an uptick in defense this year, say to 20th, is solely because of the new coaches is ludicrous. It isn't to say that won't have an impact, and you're right change is good, because it puts fire under people's asses sometimes.

We won a super bowl with those same coaches and there was a point in that season where both our starting CB's and one of our starting safeties were injured. 3/4 of our back end were out, we still won games. So give me a break.

Bull****. It was because we had a lack of talent due to absolutely horrid drafting, terrible free agent acquisitions, and terrible cap management.

Just last year the Saints cornerback situation alone were like drummers from Spinal Tap. Freak injuries ...I can't put last year solely on coaches. The last two years drafting hasn't been horrid now has it? If you circle back to the 2009 SB season, that was a pretty healthy team as a whole. Saints are due some good "luck". Sean and co have already begun to weed out the weak.

Did you not like the 2016 or 2017 Saints draft class?
- Lattimore - best CB in the class, we were shocked he was still on board.
- Ramczyk - Ok we needed a T, maybe later in draft, but he was really high on our boards and hes there at 32 .. we grabbed him.
- Williams - Ball hawking safety we've been looking for since we lost sharper. I don't know to much about him but I can understand the pick.
.. etc, etc.

Since Sean has been here all I know is that we've had 5 playoff appearances, 2 NFC Championship appearances, and a SB ring in the mantle case. No matter what the Saints do, somebody is going to find something to complain about.

Calm down Spkb25, you've been on the war path lately .

Not disagreeing with your point overall, but we lost Greer and Porter for half of the season in 2009, having to rely on Usama young, Randall Gay and Malcolm Jenkins.

It wasn't popular opinion around here three years ago when some of us questioned the effectiveness of Joe Vitt and Bill Johnson...