Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's

CharityMike · 05-17-2017, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I would have rather taken the money we spent on AP and added it to the offer for Zeitler...

Am not that optimistic about Warford at Right Guard and frustrated with Loomis failing to sign Zeitler...

Some have said that Warford doesn't have to be that good with Unger and Strief on either side of him...

With Unger out indefinitely, am getting really concerend; and Peat was only okay at guard...

Gotta say, I'm more than a little concerned with our interior offensive line right now...

Yeah well..just think how we all felt last season looking at our O line get raped for 4 preseason games. The line always seems to work out so Im gonna keep the faith until I have a reason to not.

hagan714 · 05-17-2017, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I don't get why we signed another Evans then. Or someone worse. There weren't better available?

Yes there was a player better but we did not go for broke to sign him

This is a bit of a gamble and maybe a change of teams is just what the Dr orders for him. I do not mind the signing and will be watching what happens. If he bounces back the saints made a solid move cap wise by signing him. I am still banking on Klien to be the biggest bang for the buck this year, he might be #2

This is why I did not fly off the handle.

Pass blocking is my biggest concern right now. But he is better than other option we have right now.

At times you gotta roll the dice. After years of rolling the dice in FA I like this one better than Byrd, Browner and Fleener.

jeanpierre · 05-17-2017, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Yeah well..just think how we all felt last season looking at our O line get raped for 4 preseason games. The line always seems to work out so Im gonna keep the faith until I have a reason to not.

Mike, that's as much a tribute to Unger and the concern I have for his loss that I can make; praying for his speedy recovery...

Originally Posted by hagan714

Yes there was a player better but we did not go for broke to sign him...
At times you gotta roll the dice. After years of rolling the dice in FA I like this one better than Byrd, Browner and Fleener.

We didn't spend the extra mil on Nicks and settle for Grubbs, and we weren't the same offense crucial third downs as we had been...

As I said on earlier post(s), not sold on Warford at all...

Hey, I've been pretty optimistic about many parts of our roster, before and after the draft; the interior Offensive line, have okay starters without Unger has me pessimistic right now...

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-17-2017, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I would have rather taken the money we spent on AP and added it to the offer for Zeitler...

So you'd have added a drop of water to the Saints' squirt gun against Cleveland's water cannon? Look at the contracts. Quick summary:

Zeitler: 3 years, $31 million guaranteed, $42 million total outlay
Warford: 2 years, $17 million guaranteed, $21 million total outlay

In short, it's no contest as Zeitler's contract is essentially double of Warford's. So AP's $3 million or so is essentially a drop in the bucket.

Am not that optimistic about Warford at Right Guard and frustrated with Loomis failing to sign Zeitler...

It's pretty clear the Saints didn't have the money to make a valid offer fo Zeitler.

Some have said that Warford doesn't have to be that good with Unger and Strief on either side of him...

With Unger out indefinitely, am getting really concerend; and Peat was only okay at guard...

Gotta say, I'm more than a little concerned with our interior offensive line right now...

It's just not possible to have All Pro starters at every position and All pro backups too. Last season the O-line was very effective. This season, at least on paper, the O-line is upgraded.

BTW Unger isn't out indefinitely. Depending on reports, he's unavailable for 3-5 months. The outside edge of that is the 1st quarter of the season plus the bye. If that's what it takes to get his foot healthy enough to play the rest of the season, then it's time well spent.

Every season folks worry about something on offense. Yet every season the offense seems to do fine as long as #9 is back there taking snaps. Last I checked, that hasn't changed.

If you want fact based worrying, then filling in for injuries should be the target. This seems to happen all over the organization.

SFIAH

K Major · 05-17-2017, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I would have rather taken the money we spent on AP and added it to the offer for Zeitler...

With Unger out indefinitely, am getting really concerend; and Peat was only okay at guard...

Gotta say, I'm more than a little concerned with our interior offensive line right now...

Well Zeitler went with the team that offered him the most $$. He's a Brown now. Meanwhile Kelemente has enough time to prepare & develop. We have time and Max will be back and in football shape before you know it. I just hope he isn't "rushed" in his healing process.

Saints have to trust the depth behind them. A solid team won't panic (that's us

).

st thomas · 05-17-2017, 09:40 AM

thats what i thought , we could'nt touch zeitler with the all the other needs in the mix, so i don't think we dropped the ball on zeitler, now big larry i can't seem to recall if he's the pro bowler that had the crazy no. of off sides called on him for fidgety movement on the line , i hope i'm mistaken, o big larr.

Seer1 · 05-17-2017, 10:06 AM

No way we could've outbid Cleveland.

Rugby Saint II · 05-17-2017, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I would have rather taken the money we spent on AP and added it to the offer for Zeitler...

Am not that optimistic about Warford at Right Guard and frustrated with Loomis failing to sign Zeitler...

Some have said that Warford doesn't have to be that good with Unger and Strief on either side of him...

With Unger out indefinitely, am getting really concerend; and Peat was only okay at guard...

Gotta say, I'm more than a little concerned with our interior offensive line right now...

Give me your address and I'll drop some Xanax in the mail to you.....just don't tell anyone.

saintsfan1976 · 05-17-2017, 01:26 PM

Own 3rd down. I mean absolutely jam it down their throats when we need to convert.

Same for our defense. I have zero statistical information to back this up but I just felt like we often failed to stop teams on critical 3rd downs. Maybe it's the game day beers clouding my judgement.

WillSaints81 · 05-17-2017, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

So you'd have added a drop of water to the Saints' squirt gun against Cleveland's water cannon? Look at the contracts. Quick summary:

Zeitler: 3 years, $31 million guaranteed, $42 million total outlay
Warford: 2 years, $17 million guaranteed, $21 million total outlay

In short, it's no contest as Zeitler's contract is essentially double of Warford's. So AP's $3 million or so is essentially a drop in the bucket.

It's pretty clear the Saints didn't have the money to make a valid offer fo Zeitler.

It's just not possible to have All Pro starters at every position and All pro backups too. Last season the O-line was very effective. This season, at least on paper, the O-line is upgraded.

BTW Unger isn't out indefinitely. Depending on reports, he's unavailable for 3-5 months. The outside edge of that is the 1st quarter of the season plus the bye. If that's what it takes to get his foot healthy enough to play the rest of the season, then it's time well spent.

Every season folks worry about something on offense. Yet every season the offense seems to do fine as long as #9 is back there taking snaps. Last I checked, that hasn't changed.

If you want fact based worrying, then filling in for injuries should be the target. This seems to happen all over the organization.

SFIAH

What if Klein and Okafor don't work out? Then what?

05-17-2017, 01:46 AM	#11
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's Originally Posted by jeanpierre I would have rather taken the money we spent on AP and added it to the offer for Zeitler... Am not that optimistic about Warford at Right Guard and frustrated with Loomis failing to sign Zeitler... Some have said that Warford doesn't have to be that good with Unger and Strief on either side of him... With Unger out indefinitely, am getting really concerend; and Peat was only okay at guard... Gotta say, I'm more than a little concerned with our interior offensive line right now... Yeah well..just think how we all felt last season looking at our O line get raped for 4 preseason games. The line always seems to work out so Im gonna keep the faith until I have a reason to not. frydaddy and halloween 65 like this.

05-17-2017, 06:22 AM	#12
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I don't get why we signed another Evans then. Or someone worse. There weren't better available? Yes there was a player better but we did not go for broke to sign him This is a bit of a gamble and maybe a change of teams is just what the Dr orders for him. I do not mind the signing and will be watching what happens. If he bounces back the saints made a solid move cap wise by signing him. I am still banking on Klien to be the biggest bang for the buck this year, he might be #2 This is why I did not fly off the handle. Pass blocking is my biggest concern right now. But he is better than other option we have right now. At times you gotta roll the dice. After years of rolling the dice in FA I like this one better than Byrd, Browner and Fleener.
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05-17-2017, 07:25 AM	#13
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's Originally Posted by CharityMike Yeah well..just think how we all felt last season looking at our O line get raped for 4 preseason games. The line always seems to work out so Im gonna keep the faith until I have a reason to not. Mike, that's as much a tribute to Unger and the concern I have for his loss that I can make; praying for his speedy recovery... Originally Posted by hagan714 Yes there was a player better but we did not go for broke to sign him... At times you gotta roll the dice. After years of rolling the dice in FA I like this one better than Byrd, Browner and Fleener. We didn't spend the extra mil on Nicks and settle for Grubbs, and we weren't the same offense crucial third downs as we had been... As I said on earlier post(s), not sold on Warford at all... Hey, I've been pretty optimistic about many parts of our roster, before and after the draft; the interior Offensive line, have okay starters without Unger has me pessimistic right now...

05-17-2017, 07:29 AM	#14
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's Originally Posted by jeanpierre I would have rather taken the money we spent on AP and added it to the offer for Zeitler... So you'd have added a drop of water to the Saints' squirt gun against Cleveland's water cannon? Look at the contracts. Quick summary: Zeitler: 3 years, $31 million guaranteed, $42 million total outlay Warford: 2 years, $17 million guaranteed, $21 million total outlay In short, it's no contest as Zeitler's contract is essentially double of Warford's. So AP's $3 million or so is essentially a drop in the bucket. Am not that optimistic about Warford at Right Guard and frustrated with Loomis failing to sign Zeitler... It's pretty clear the Saints didn't have the money to make a valid offer fo Zeitler. Some have said that Warford doesn't have to be that good with Unger and Strief on either side of him... With Unger out indefinitely, am getting really concerend; and Peat was only okay at guard... Gotta say, I'm more than a little concerned with our interior offensive line right now... It's just not possible to have All Pro starters at every position and All pro backups too. Last season the O-line was very effective. This season, at least on paper, the O-line is upgraded. BTW Unger isn't out indefinitely. Depending on reports, he's unavailable for 3-5 months. The outside edge of that is the 1st quarter of the season plus the bye. If that's what it takes to get his foot healthy enough to play the rest of the season, then it's time well spent. Every season folks worry about something on offense. Yet every season the offense seems to do fine as long as #9 is back there taking snaps. Last I checked, that hasn't changed. If you want fact based worrying, then filling in for injuries should be the target. This seems to happen all over the organization. SFIAH saintsfan1976 and Seer1 like this.
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05-17-2017, 09:19 AM	#15
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's Originally Posted by jeanpierre I would have rather taken the money we spent on AP and added it to the offer for Zeitler... With Unger out indefinitely, am getting really concerend; and Peat was only okay at guard... Gotta say, I'm more than a little concerned with our interior offensive line right now... Well Zeitler went with the team that offered him the most $$. He's a Brown now. Meanwhile Kelemente has enough time to prepare & develop. We have time and Max will be back and in football shape before you know it. I just hope he isn't "rushed" in his healing process. Saints have to trust the depth behind them. A solid team won't panic (that's us ).

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st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's thats what i thought , we could'nt touch zeitler with the all the other needs in the mix, so i don't think we dropped the ball on zeitler, now big larry i can't seem to recall if he's the pro bowler that had the crazy no. of off sides called on him for fidgety movement on the line , i hope i'm mistaken, o big larr.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's Originally Posted by jeanpierre I would have rather taken the money we spent on AP and added it to the offer for Zeitler... Am not that optimistic about Warford at Right Guard and frustrated with Loomis failing to sign Zeitler... Some have said that Warford doesn't have to be that good with Unger and Strief on either side of him... With Unger out indefinitely, am getting really concerend; and Peat was only okay at guard... Gotta say, I'm more than a little concerned with our interior offensive line right now... Give me your address and I'll drop some Xanax in the mail to you.....just don't tell anyone.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's Own 3rd down. I mean absolutely jam it down their throats when we need to convert. Same for our defense. I have zero statistical information to back this up but I just felt like we often failed to stop teams on critical 3rd downs. Maybe it's the game day beers clouding my judgement.

05-17-2017, 07:49 PM	#20
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL So you'd have added a drop of water to the Saints' squirt gun against Cleveland's water cannon? Look at the contracts. Quick summary: Zeitler: 3 years, $31 million guaranteed, $42 million total outlay Warford: 2 years, $17 million guaranteed, $21 million total outlay In short, it's no contest as Zeitler's contract is essentially double of Warford's. So AP's $3 million or so is essentially a drop in the bucket. It's pretty clear the Saints didn't have the money to make a valid offer fo Zeitler. It's just not possible to have All Pro starters at every position and All pro backups too. Last season the O-line was very effective. This season, at least on paper, the O-line is upgraded. BTW Unger isn't out indefinitely. Depending on reports, he's unavailable for 3-5 months. The outside edge of that is the 1st quarter of the season plus the bye. If that's what it takes to get his foot healthy enough to play the rest of the season, then it's time well spent. Every season folks worry about something on offense. Yet every season the offense seems to do fine as long as #9 is back there taking snaps. Last I checked, that hasn't changed. If you want fact based worrying, then filling in for injuries should be the target. This seems to happen all over the organization. SFIAH What if Klein and Okafor don't work out? Then what?

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