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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Really? 2014-Goodwin, grubbs, injured Evans. center a big issue that offseason 2015-Evans, Lelito, Streif. guards a big issue that offseason 2016-Evans in some cases, Lelito/Kelemete. Right guard was a issue and then during season Left guard ...

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Old 05-20-2017, 07:57 AM   #1
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Re: Damn you Payton!

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Really?

2014-Goodwin, grubbs, injured Evans. center a big issue that offseason

2015-Evans, Lelito, Streif. guards a big issue that offseason

2016-Evans in some cases, Lelito/Kelemete. Right guard was a issue and then during season Left guard became a issue with Peat manning LT.

The oline took a step forward last year, but before that the oline struggled the two years before.
I don't even know why I'm responding but here it goes. We have had a top 5 offense for the past 10 years in a row. Last year drew again threw for right at 5000 yards and led the league. Our avg at best rn, MIA ran for over 1000 yards and had a really good avg. you seem to be caught up in big names. Just because we don't have a ton of top name players in the online doesn't mean they are not any good.
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Old 05-20-2017, 11:12 AM   #2
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I don't even know why I'm responding but here it goes. We have had a top 5 offense for the past 10 years in a row. Last year drew again threw for right at 5000 yards and led the league. Our avg at best rn, MIA ran for over 1000 yards and had a really good avg. you seem to be caught up in big names. Just because we don't have a ton of top name players in the online doesn't mean they are not any good.
Our oline has been a problem. Even Hagan, JP will back me on that. So what our offense has been top five. I'm sick and tired of stats more than watching the actual games. I have been on the chats and forum every week for the games and I certainly have seen many things wrong with the oline. Big names? Who said big names? Lelito and Kelemete both had different blocking skills. One was ok with pass, other with run. Brees is 6'0 he needs to have a perfect oline to see down the field.
Our oline is why we lost the division in 2014(because we didn't need to have good defense to win division at 8-8), defense was bad but we held Atlanta to nothing for almost an entire first half before the wheels fell off. Then in 2015, there were bad offensive showings against Arizona, Philadelphia, Indy(run game won that), Washington(or not if SP tanked that), Houston, Carolina(before 2nd half), and Detroit(before 4th). I don't recall 09-11 Brees having that many bad offensive games a season.



Next year we are lucky to have the only aggressive pass rushing team with a good run defense off a bye week and play mostly strong secondaries that lack pass rush or pass rushers with bad run defenses. However, the defense is in a position to need to be god-like against Brady, Rodgers, and Cousins to win those games.
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Old 05-20-2017, 05:15 PM   #3
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Our oline has been a problem. Even Hagan, JP will back me on that. So what our offense has been top five. I'm sick and tired of stats more than watching the actual games. I have been on the chats and forum every week for the games and I certainly have seen many things wrong with the oline. Big names? Who said big names? Lelito and Kelemete both had different blocking skills. One was ok with pass, other with run. Brees is 6'0 he needs to have a perfect oline to see down the field.
Our oline is why we lost the division in 2014(because we didn't need to have good defense to win division at 8-8), defense was bad but we held Atlanta to nothing for almost an entire first half before the wheels fell off. Then in 2015, there were bad offensive showings against Arizona, Philadelphia, Indy(run game won that), Washington(or not if SP tanked that), Houston, Carolina(before 2nd half), and Detroit(before 4th). I don't recall 09-11 Brees having that many bad offensive games a season.



Next year we are lucky to have the only aggressive pass rushing team with a good run defense off a bye week and play mostly strong secondaries that lack pass rush or pass rushers with bad run defenses. However, the defense is in a position to need to be god-like against Brady, Rodgers, and Cousins to win those games.
I dont care who agrees with you. The stats dont lie. Top 5 offense, bottom 5 defense. Defense is the problem not the O-line
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:16 PM   #4
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I dont care who agrees with you. The stats dont lie. Top 5 offense, bottom 5 defense. Defense is the problem not the O-line
You can't talk sense to a nonsensical mind. He can not separate fantasy from reality. I am big into FF also but I have been a Saints fan way before I even thought about FF. He wasn't a fan when we were crap, he jumped on the bandwagon when we started winning. Now he thinks he knows all the problems and how to fix things by looking at fantasy numbers.
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You can't talk sense to a nonsensical mind. He can not separate fantasy from reality. I am big into FF also but I have been a Saints fan way before I even thought about FF. He wasn't a fan when we were crap, he jumped on the bandwagon when we started winning. Now he thinks he knows all the problems and how to fix things by looking at fantasy numbers.
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