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Re: Defense vs offense

Mark Twain: "Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

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What lengths must one go to to be banned? Surely he must be getting close by now.

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Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 750388)

What lengths must one go to to be banned? Surely he must be getting close by now.

Agreed. While IDs shouldn't be checked at the door, not all seventh graders need be welcomed. We've done him a favor and helped to improve his writing skills... a little. As one who spends his days reading papers of middle schoolers I'm over reading his. He was amusing for a bit, but now it's just too much. Picking fights, threatening others and clogging up the forum with countless nonsensical threads are pretty much what trolls do isn't it?

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I really don't understand what your point is

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 750407)

I really don't understand what your point is

Sorry he must be rubbing off on me. Please ban him.

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 750376)

What's it matter when the points come? If you have a defense holding teams to say 17 ppg and then I feel that as good as our offense is ranked (#2), we could put up 20(29.3) points even if they all came in the second half...

In other words you think a top 20 defense will not fatigue? Brees did not do this 09 and 11, nor did he do this in 08 or 12. This has been happening since 2013.

Brees panics when behind. He has to play with a lead. The saints are not the ravens, they are not going to be in 6-3 games until the fourth quarter.

Again, has Brees decline? If he hasn't then this stalling is no excuse.

It does matter when the points come. Why are you so convinced that Brees is able to a comeback 4th quarter QB? It's not his strength.

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 750383)

I see that "the analyst" is trying to make a point about the lack of consistency of the offense. But I believe what he is missing is that lack of consistency is even more pronounced in the defense.

I'm not going to break down scoring by halves. But let's dump last years games into a few rough buckets to see any trends. Three categories:

+ : 30 points or greater for offense, 20 points or fewer for defense
- : 20 points or fewer for offense, 30 points or greater for defense
= : between 20 and 30 points for both offense or defense.

Raiders: +-
Giants : -+
Falcons: +-
Chargers: +-
Panthers: +-
Chiefs: ==
Seahawks: =+
49ers: +=
Broncos: ==
Panthers: -=
Rams: +=
Lions: -=
Bucs: -+
Cardinals: +-
Bucs: +=
Falcons: +-

The offense went 9-4-3 (+,-,=) while the defense was 3-6-7. There were exactly 0 ++ games and exactly 0 -- games. As shown there were exactly 3 games where the Saints held the opposition to 20 points or less.

Let look at the distribution and records:

++ : 0
+= : 3 (3-0)
+- : 6 (3-3)
=+ : 1 (1-0)
== : 2 (0-2)
=- : 0
-+ : 2 (0-2)
-= : 2 (0-2)
-- : 0

So what can we see from the data?

1. The offense had to play well for the team to win. The team was 0-4 when the offense scored 20 or less.

2. Shootouts are a tossup (+-). And the team had more shootouts than anything else.

3. The majority of the losses (+=,==) happened when the defense gave up 21 or more points.

4. Productive offense and decent defense (+=,=+) are a winning formula (4-0 total)

Overall it seems that eliminating shootouts is the path forward. That means continuing the stand up a defense that can hold opponents to under 30 PPG while maintaining an offense than can score 30+ PPG. Moving 3-4 games from +- to += could make all the difference.

SFIAH

Look at the giants, lions games. I don't see Brees getting on the field off a turnover having any better success against the way those defenses were playing.

Back in the 09 saints days it was normal for opponents to have 10-13 points at halftime unless they were really awful. And that's what a lot of opponents had last year against us? The defense kept being put back on the field. And that's why we have AP now. The FO thought something was wrong.

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Go ahead and ban me because I hold "offensive genius" Sean Payton to the standard he set. I said it before he was smarter when he was married.

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 750428)

Go ahead and ban me because I hold "offensive genius" Sean Payton to the standard he set. I said it before he was smarter when he was married.

Will hmmm no one is going to ban you. B&G is a true Saints board and people are allowed to have opinions about the team that are not popular. Ive posted a couple but foreverfan is truely hated for his discrimination against dogs.
Id just say lay off the rum or have a rum and think before you post as an elitist know everything about SP and the club.
I think the problem some see here is your not willing to have a conversation, just impose your opinion with no room for talk. Which pretty much makes your Bid for the UN job of the USA a no go.
Your not the coach or even a line coach, and have no empathy for others in a chat.
I like you fine man, and could be totally wrong. Lord knows I thought JAVA was a joke when it came out and was going nowhere. I still blame that on you BTW.:bng:

No one wants to talk to someone that doesnt have empathy and wont listen with a definative agenda and ego, even if they are right. I would hate talking to God because he knows everything, it would suck. my opinions would be met with compassionate laughter. Though I could be wrong because that dog canon I made was more a barbacue than family fun.
I think we all know you care about the team, and thats important.

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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 750430)

The fact is that we know he DOESN'T care about the team. He has said that the Saints only became ONE of his teams because of Brees. All he cares about is gaining attention. He started out with massive amounts of nonsensical postings, all with a negative twist. Then recently, he has attempted to turn into a pseudo-intellectual that has some sort of deep understanding of the intricacies of the game and how almost all others on the site do not have the ability to understand. This new line of posting by him is no more comprehensible than the earlier attempts of attention grabbing. The garbage he comes up with, which in his mind supports the ever present negativity, is clearly unsupported BS or totally irrelevant ponderings.

What was at first an amusing escape from reality has turned into an onslaught of mindless blatherings which have cluttered the forum to a point where many are avoiding threads that have his stamp upon them as either the original poster or most recent respondent.

:annoyed: