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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; WTF are you talking about?! We had the #2 offense scoring 469 points last season, behind only the Falcons who scored 540. We were ranked second also with 29.3 points per game... We had the 31st ranked defense; 32nd ranked ...

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Old 05-20-2017, 02:09 PM   #1
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Re: Defense vs offense

WTF are you talking about?! We had the #2 offense scoring 469 points last season, behind only the Falcons who scored 540.

We were ranked second also with 29.3 points per game...

We had the 31st ranked defense; 32nd ranked against the pass(273.8 ypg) and 14th against the run(101.6 ypg)...

Which one is the bigger problem?

For someone who claims to be all about the stats, you sure seem like less than even a casual fan
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Old 05-20-2017, 10:07 PM   #2
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Re: Defense vs offense

Originally Posted by |Mitch| View Post
WTF are you talking about?! We had the #2 offense scoring 469 points last season, behind only the Falcons who scored 540.

We were ranked second also with 29.3 points per game...

We had the 31st ranked defense; 32nd ranked against the pass(273.8 ypg) and 14th against the run(101.6 ypg)...

Which one is the bigger problem?

For someone who claims to be all about the stats, you sure seem like less than even a casual fan
This is what I mean by a casual fan. You point to stat padding statistics.

Btw, no team put up the kind of points the saints did in any first half. That is why the stats make little sense because they evened the bad ones with big ones and when I pull up the first half totals I'm gonna prove it. Here's your stats you have been asking for.

I don't know the totals straight up but here's a rough estimate.....
180 total first half points
among those against Oakland, Carolina, SF, LA, Arizona, and TB
114.........Those six games accounted for over half and less than 2/3 of the total first half points.

Just over a third remaining for the other ten games.

What is the average ppg with those six games? 19
What is the average ppg with the remaining ten? 6.6
Overall average combined? 11.25

If the defense improved, it would maybe move the average up to 10 ppg in the first half in those ten games. That's still below average.

source: my calculator

BAM!

Now those 469 points equals out to 29.32 ppg

The points scored against Oakland, Carolina, SF, LA, Arizona, Atlanta, Atlanta, and San Diego that consisted of 30+.....280. The other eight games consisted of 189.

The 280 average out to 35
The 189 average out to 23.63.

What would a better defense do? Put Lutz on the field more to attempt field goals, and he had some ugly ones that went through.

You're also assuming that the offense can afford to have bad first halfs and win in the second with a improved defense...in other words becoming a team winning from behind, something we are not known for. You are virtually assuming that points can occur anytime. And if the falcons scored 17 in the first half instead of 28, and the saints scored 13 instead of 10, the saints would win 35-27? In other words Atlanta still scores 10 points in that second half and does not score any in the fourth? No.

How many less points does Detroit score with an improved defense? I would say 10 so 18. Saints would maybe move up to 16 points.

We need improved oline and defense both.
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Old 05-21-2017, 08:01 AM   #3
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Re: Defense vs offense

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 View Post
This is what I mean by a casual fan. You point to stat padding statistics.

Btw, no team put up the kind of points the saints did in any first half. That is why the stats make little sense because they evened the bad ones with big ones and when I pull up the first half totals I'm gonna prove it. Here's your stats you have been asking for.

I don't know the totals straight up but here's a rough estimate.....
180 total first half points
among those against Oakland, Carolina, SF, LA, Arizona, and TB
114.........Those six games accounted for over half and less than 2/3 of the total first half points.

Just over a third remaining for the other ten games.

What is the average ppg with those six games? 19
What is the average ppg with the remaining ten? 6.6
Overall average combined? 11.25

If the defense improved, it would maybe move the average up to 10 ppg in the first half in those ten games. That's still below average.

source: my calculator

BAM!

Now those 469 points equals out to 29.32 ppg

The points scored against Oakland, Carolina, SF, LA, Arizona, Atlanta, Atlanta, and San Diego that consisted of 30+.....280. The other eight games consisted of 189.

The 280 average out to 35
The 189 average out to 23.63.

What would a better defense do? Put Lutz on the field more to attempt field goals, and he had some ugly ones that went through.

You're also assuming that the offense can afford to have bad first halfs and win in the second with a improved defense...in other words becoming a team winning from behind, something we are not known for. You are virtually assuming that points can occur anytime. And if the falcons scored 17 in the first half instead of 28, and the saints scored 13 instead of 10, the saints would win 35-27? In other words Atlanta still scores 10 points in that second half and does not score any in the fourth? No.

How many less points does Detroit score with an improved defense? I would say 10 so 18. Saints would maybe move up to 16 points.

We need improved oline and defense both.
I ignored everything else you wrote after these inane remarks ...

Here's your stats you have been asking for.

I don't know the totals straight up but here's a rough estimate....
If you are going to pretend that you understand stats you have to actually use them, not estimate.

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