Jimmy Graham return in 2018?

The Dude · 10-25-2017, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

say what you want... but Sean does have a history of bringing in washed up TE's past their prime... JEREMY SHOCKY.

But also keep this into perspective. Players excell in the Saints system because they fit it. When players leave they it generally doesn't turn out as well for them. Their best years usually end up the ones they spent with us. The one WR I can't think of right was good with us left and was a complete bus then comes back and is good again.

Unless they are on defense like Hicks, Jenkins, and even PRob

AsylumGuido · 10-25-2017, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

See, to me, if he deleted it immediately it means he probably knew it was snarky when he posted it and tried to take it back.

Doesn't matter if it was private or broadcast nationwide. He said it.

Maybe he regretted it - maybe not. I'll never know because he didn't elaborate publicly.

He sure did seem awfully happy to get out of town tho...

No. Actually Graham was pretty disappointed he was out of town. As was Brees.

jeanpierre · 10-25-2017, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

See, to me, if he deleted it immediately it means he probably knew it was snarky when he posted it and tried to take it back.

Doesn't matter if it was private or broadcast nationwide. He said it.

Maybe he regretted it - maybe not. I'll never know because he didn't elaborate publicly.

He sure did seem awfully happy to get out of town tho...

JMO - Jimmy Graham's hardship and broken family life has been well documented; he was absolutely the most loved player during his time here - even as much as Drew. Can not for one second believe he was glad to leave his first real loving home...

Have no doubt Graham was taken aback when the Saints told him he wasn't going to get paid what he wanted long-term by the Saints and that 180° reality check trade was a tremendous blow to the coddled-enabled professional athlete's ego...

And once the trade was made official, it probably took the first full season away for the reality of NFL business and his personal reality to settle in and it absolutely rocked him to his core as he's been a shell of the former player he once was...

I'd never not want us to sign talent with a great team attitude and good personal, non-distracting personality, but I can't help but wonder what complications and residual feelings would be there if Graham returned...

ScottF · 10-26-2017, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

See, to me, if he deleted it immediately it means he probably knew it was snarky when he posted it and tried to take it back.

Doesn't matter if it was private or broadcast nationwide. He said it.

Maybe he regretted it - maybe not. I'll never know because he didn't elaborate publicly.

He sure did seem awfully happy to get out of town tho...

Exactly. He said it.
And what reasonable person could possibly misinterpret that as anything less than derogatory towards the team?

Oh, and he's 31 and will probably still expects 8 million a year. Pass

K Major · 10-26-2017, 09:07 AM

Meh ...

I'd be elated if the Saints FO contacted Larry Fitzgerald's agent before the trade deadline.

saintsfan1976 · 10-26-2017, 10:02 AM

We have an overpaid TE who can't catch on the roster already.

Is there room for another??

jeanpierre · 10-26-2017, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Meh ...

I'd be elated if the Saints FO contacted Larry Fitzgerald's agent before the trade deadline.

Now that would be HUGE and make the Saints a deep threat in the playoffs...

Papa Voodoo · 10-26-2017, 01:21 PM

Sean struggled for at least a week by his account on the trade so he obviously values Graham in his offense. If we could have addressed the center position 1-2 seasons before (Olin Kreutz?) he'd still be here. He would not be our #1 like he was IMO however, having him running through the middle of the defense would have to be respected and would take defensive pressure off of the other weapons. I doubt the Saints have any kind of "ban" on bringing him back.

Papa Voodoo · 10-26-2017, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Meh ...

I'd be elated if the Saints FO contacted Larry Fitzgerald's agent before the trade deadline.

Go for both?

AsylumGuido · 10-26-2017, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Sean struggled for at least a week by his account on the trade so he obviously values Graham in his offense. If we could have addressed the center position 1-2 seasons before (Olin Kreutz?) he'd still be here. He would not be our #1 like he was IMO however, having him running through the middle of the defense would have to be respected and would take defensive pressure off of the other weapons. I doubt the Saints have any kind of "ban" on bringing him back.

Payton wanted Unger badly. The original offer included Kenny Stills, but Seattle insisted that Graham was the only player they would consider. Still was moved to Miami soon after. I really don't think anyone wanted Graham gone, including Graham.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Jimmy Graham return in 2018? Originally Posted by Euphoria say what you want... but Sean does have a history of bringing in washed up TE's past their prime... JEREMY SHOCKY. But also keep this into perspective. Players excell in the Saints system because they fit it. When players leave they it generally doesn't turn out as well for them. Their best years usually end up the ones they spent with us. The one WR I can't think of right was good with us left and was a complete bus then comes back and is good again. Unless they are on defense like Hicks, Jenkins, and even PRob
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10-25-2017, 09:54 PM	#82
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Jimmy Graham return in 2018? Originally Posted by saintfan See, to me, if he deleted it immediately it means he probably knew it was snarky when he posted it and tried to take it back. Doesn't matter if it was private or broadcast nationwide. He said it. Maybe he regretted it - maybe not. I'll never know because he didn't elaborate publicly. He sure did seem awfully happy to get out of town tho... No. Actually Graham was pretty disappointed he was out of town. As was Brees.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham return in 2018? Originally Posted by saintfan See, to me, if he deleted it immediately it means he probably knew it was snarky when he posted it and tried to take it back. Doesn't matter if it was private or broadcast nationwide. He said it. Maybe he regretted it - maybe not. I'll never know because he didn't elaborate publicly. He sure did seem awfully happy to get out of town tho... JMO - Jimmy Graham's hardship and broken family life has been well documented; he was absolutely the most loved player during his time here - even as much as Drew. Can not for one second believe he was glad to leave his first real loving home... Have no doubt Graham was taken aback when the Saints told him he wasn't going to get paid what he wanted long-term by the Saints and that 180° reality check trade was a tremendous blow to the coddled-enabled professional athlete's ego... And once the trade was made official, it probably took the first full season away for the reality of NFL business and his personal reality to settle in and it absolutely rocked him to his core as he's been a shell of the former player he once was... I'd never not want us to sign talent with a great team attitude and good personal, non-distracting personality, but I can't help but wonder what complications and residual feelings would be there if Graham returned... ScottF likes this.
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10-26-2017, 09:01 AM	#84
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Jimmy Graham return in 2018? Originally Posted by saintfan See, to me, if he deleted it immediately it means he probably knew it was snarky when he posted it and tried to take it back. Doesn't matter if it was private or broadcast nationwide. He said it. Maybe he regretted it - maybe not. I'll never know because he didn't elaborate publicly. He sure did seem awfully happy to get out of town tho... Exactly. He said it. And what reasonable person could possibly misinterpret that as anything less than derogatory towards the team? Oh, and he's 31 and will probably still expects 8 million a year. Pass dizzle88 likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham return in 2018? Originally Posted by K Major Meh ... I'd be elated if the Saints FO contacted Larry Fitzgerald's agent before the trade deadline. Now that would be HUGE and make the Saints a deep threat in the playoffs...

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Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Jimmy Graham return in 2018? Sean struggled for at least a week by his account on the trade so he obviously values Graham in his offense. If we could have addressed the center position 1-2 seasons before (Olin Kreutz?) he'd still be here. He would not be our #1 like he was IMO however, having him running through the middle of the defense would have to be respected and would take defensive pressure off of the other weapons. I doubt the Saints have any kind of "ban" on bringing him back.

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Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Jimmy Graham return in 2018? Originally Posted by K Major Meh ... I'd be elated if the Saints FO contacted Larry Fitzgerald's agent before the trade deadline. Go for both?

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Jimmy Graham return in 2018? Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Sean struggled for at least a week by his account on the trade so he obviously values Graham in his offense. If we could have addressed the center position 1-2 seasons before (Olin Kreutz?) he'd still be here. He would not be our #1 like he was IMO however, having him running through the middle of the defense would have to be respected and would take defensive pressure off of the other weapons. I doubt the Saints have any kind of "ban" on bringing him back. Payton wanted Unger badly. The original offer included Kenny Stills, but Seattle insisted that Graham was the only player they would consider. Still was moved to Miami soon after. I really don't think anyone wanted Graham gone, including Graham.

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