Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better

ChrisXVI · 05-23-2017, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Did you watch Klein at all when he was in for the injured Kuechly? You really tell Kuechly wasn't in there. I personally feel we have a very solid group, many of which were held back by crappy coaching and a questionable line in front of them.

I saw a guy who really struggles in coverage and has allowed 76.8% of passes into his coverage to be completed for his career. Plus he ain't playing next to Thomas Davis anymore.

AsylumGuido · 05-23-2017, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I saw a guy who really struggles in coverage and has allowed 76.8% of passes into his coverage to be completed for his career. Plus he ain't playing next to Thomas Davis anymore.

I know the blurb by Sam Monson quoting the 76.8% number. Do you know in what context that applies? How many attempts, position being played, opposing team and players, etc? How about a breakdown by season? Lots of variables involved. That's why I don't trust numbers without going to the source. Do you know where those numbers are? Probably need a PFF subscription to access them.

ChrisXVI · 05-23-2017, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I know the blurb by Sam Monson quoting the 76.8% number. Do you know in what context that applies? How many attempts, position being played, opposing team and players, etc? How about a breakdown by season? Lots of variables involved. That's why I don't trust numbers without going to the source. Do you know where those numbers are? Probably need a PFF subscription to access them.

Admittedly I'm ignorant to that info. I'm going to try digging up some better info.

AsylumGuido · 05-23-2017, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Admittedly I'm ignorant to that info. I'm going to try digging up some better info.

I'm only assuming it is from PFF because where Monson works.

K Major · 05-23-2017, 04:24 PM

Is AJ this sideline to sideline dawg we've been waiting for? I certainly hope he comes close but we simply don't know how well the linebacker group will pan out until training camp starts. Put me in the guarded optimism camp.

I'm still shaking off the bad taste James L left last season. Time will tell.

The Dude · 05-23-2017, 05:13 PM

Who the hell knows. Anthony's light bulb could click and go on and Elerbie could have his first injury free year. The pieces are there potentially but as others have said three of those guys probably won't play the majority of the season.

K Major · 05-23-2017, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Elerbie could have his first injury free year.

Come on Dude ... that's wishful thinking right there.

hagan714 · 05-23-2017, 06:12 PM

You first must keep your LB clean from the OL at the second level.

This was the bigger area of failure last year than the quality of LB.

LB play starts and ends with the DL play.

triman · 05-23-2017, 10:02 PM

I realistically think that we are incrementally better at LB. Of course that was very easy to do because we really bad.
If Ellerbe is not completely healthy I think we cut bait and keep younger talent.

ChrisXVI · 05-23-2017, 10:31 PM

I'm watching some Panthers highlights from last season and trying to really get a read on AJ Klein's coverage abilities. I actually think he has really great awareness in zone coverage. He seems to really sense receiver's coming into his zone and doesn't get caught flat-footed. Very smart.

He seems to struggle a bit as the Mike in Cover 2 which isn't uncommon. Not many LB's can cover WR's on deep routes.

Hoping to find some plays where he's in man coverage on TE's. So far I've only seen him in man to man against RB's and he does have terrific lateral quickness.

05-23-2017, 03:45 PM	#11
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Did you watch Klein at all when he was in for the injured Kuechly? You really tell Kuechly wasn't in there. I personally feel we have a very solid group, many of which were held back by crappy coaching and a questionable line in front of them. I saw a guy who really struggles in coverage and has allowed 76.8% of passes into his coverage to be completed for his career. Plus he ain't playing next to Thomas Davis anymore.

05-23-2017, 03:57 PM	#12
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I saw a guy who really struggles in coverage and has allowed 76.8% of passes into his coverage to be completed for his career. Plus he ain't playing next to Thomas Davis anymore. I know the blurb by Sam Monson quoting the 76.8% number. Do you know in what context that applies? How many attempts, position being played, opposing team and players, etc? How about a breakdown by season? Lots of variables involved. That's why I don't trust numbers without going to the source. Do you know where those numbers are? Probably need a PFF subscription to access them.

05-23-2017, 04:07 PM	#13
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I know the blurb by Sam Monson quoting the 76.8% number. Do you know in what context that applies? How many attempts, position being played, opposing team and players, etc? How about a breakdown by season? Lots of variables involved. That's why I don't trust numbers without going to the source. Do you know where those numbers are? Probably need a PFF subscription to access them. Admittedly I'm ignorant to that info. I'm going to try digging up some better info.

05-23-2017, 04:13 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Admittedly I'm ignorant to that info. I'm going to try digging up some better info. I'm only assuming it is from PFF because where Monson works.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,624 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Is AJ this sideline to sideline dawg we've been waiting for? I certainly hope he comes close but we simply don't know how well the linebacker group will pan out until training camp starts. Put me in the guarded optimism camp. I'm still shaking off the bad taste James L left last season. Time will tell. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Who the hell knows. Anthony's light bulb could click and go on and Elerbie could have his first injury free year. The pieces are there potentially but as others have said three of those guys probably won't play the majority of the season.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,624 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by The Dude Elerbie could have his first injury free year. Come on Dude ... that's wishful thinking right there. SaintFanInATLHELL, jnormand, spkb25 and 3 others like this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better I'm watching some Panthers highlights from last season and trying to really get a read on AJ Klein's coverage abilities. I actually think he has really great awareness in zone coverage. He seems to really sense receiver's coming into his zone and doesn't get caught flat-footed. Very smart. He seems to struggle a bit as the Mike in Cover 2 which isn't uncommon. Not many LB's can cover WR's on deep routes. Hoping to find some plays where he's in man coverage on TE's. So far I've only seen him in man to man against RB's and he does have terrific lateral quickness. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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