Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better

ChrisXVI · 05-23-2017, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Did you watch Klein at all when he was in for the injured Kuechly? You really tell Kuechly wasn't in there. I personally feel we have a very solid group, many of which were held back by crappy coaching and a questionable line in front of them.

I saw a guy who really struggles in coverage and has allowed 76.8% of passes into his coverage to be completed for his career. Plus he ain't playing next to Thomas Davis anymore.

AsylumGuido · 05-23-2017, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I saw a guy who really struggles in coverage and has allowed 76.8% of passes into his coverage to be completed for his career. Plus he ain't playing next to Thomas Davis anymore.

I know the blurb by Sam Monson quoting the 76.8% number. Do you know in what context that applies? How many attempts, position being played, opposing team and players, etc? How about a breakdown by season? Lots of variables involved. That's why I don't trust numbers without going to the source. Do you know where those numbers are? Probably need a PFF subscription to access them.

ChrisXVI · 05-23-2017, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I know the blurb by Sam Monson quoting the 76.8% number. Do you know in what context that applies? How many attempts, position being played, opposing team and players, etc? How about a breakdown by season? Lots of variables involved. That's why I don't trust numbers without going to the source. Do you know where those numbers are? Probably need a PFF subscription to access them.

Admittedly I'm ignorant to that info. I'm going to try digging up some better info.

spkb25 · 05-24-2017, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I'm hoping for the best like everyone. But I'll be completely honest with you guys... I think we're still gonna suck at the LB position. We have a bunch of crap that we're hoping Mike Nolan can work a miracle with.

I'm not being pessimistic at all... remember, I'm hoping for the best here. Just taking the black and gold glasses off for a second.

this is an honest assessment and not some BS remark. I am with you. Piling guys so you hope something sticks

ChrisXVI · 05-24-2017, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

this is an honest assessment and not some BS remark. I am with you. Piling guys so you hope something sticks

I do have hope for AJ Klein. I sort of bought in to the criticism that he was bad in coverage but I spent a little time watching some Panthers games from last season and he didn't look that bad at all.

My whole thing though is that we talk about Nolan being a great LB coach but he didn't exactly have to polish a turd when he had the likes of Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis.

K Major · 05-24-2017, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

My whole thing though is that we talk about Nolan being a great LB coach but he didn't exactly have to polish a turd when he had the likes of Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis.

I think we will see the best of what Anthony can do under Nolan's tutelage. Maybe, just maybe he can find the untapped potential.

On the other hand, did you by chance check out the sound byte from Raider HC Jack Del Rio discussing how he isn't sold on their LB position .. even after the draft? Sometimes I wonder if at any point Stephone (or any other young player we have) is subject to trade talk . We have a ton of guys in camp (specifically LB) & it's a numbers game so we can't hold on to all of them.

Just something to think about as we approach training camp

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jlaw8920 · 05-24-2017, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I do have hope for AJ Klein. I sort of bought in to the criticism that he was bad in coverage but I spent a little time watching some Panthers games from last season and he didn't look that bad at all.

My whole thing though is that we talk about Nolan being a great LB coach but he didn't exactly have to polish a turd when he had the likes of Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis.

I agree, I think Klein looked good for the most part last year, and I'm honestly excited about him. The only thing that scares me a little bit is remembering when we played Carolina last year. The game when Kuechly got hurt in the 3rd quarter. We were losing 23-3, then dropped 17 to Carolina's 0 in the fourth, and almost came back to win. It seemed like the coverage drastically dropped off after Klein subbed in. At the same time, they had other injuries happen that game.

K Major · 05-23-2017, 03:24 PM

Is AJ this sideline to sideline dawg we've been waiting for? I certainly hope he comes close but we simply don't know how well the linebacker group will pan out until training camp starts. Put me in the guarded optimism camp.

I'm still shaking off the bad taste James L left last season. Time will tell.

The Dude · 05-23-2017, 04:13 PM

Who the hell knows. Anthony's light bulb could click and go on and Elerbie could have his first injury free year. The pieces are there potentially but as others have said three of those guys probably won't play the majority of the season.

K Major · 05-23-2017, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Elerbie could have his first injury free year.

Come on Dude ... that's wishful thinking right there.

05-23-2017, 02:45 PM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Did you watch Klein at all when he was in for the injured Kuechly? You really tell Kuechly wasn't in there. I personally feel we have a very solid group, many of which were held back by crappy coaching and a questionable line in front of them. I saw a guy who really struggles in coverage and has allowed 76.8% of passes into his coverage to be completed for his career. Plus he ain't playing next to Thomas Davis anymore.

05-23-2017, 02:57 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I saw a guy who really struggles in coverage and has allowed 76.8% of passes into his coverage to be completed for his career. Plus he ain't playing next to Thomas Davis anymore. I know the blurb by Sam Monson quoting the 76.8% number. Do you know in what context that applies? How many attempts, position being played, opposing team and players, etc? How about a breakdown by season? Lots of variables involved. That's why I don't trust numbers without going to the source. Do you know where those numbers are? Probably need a PFF subscription to access them.

05-23-2017, 03:07 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I know the blurb by Sam Monson quoting the 76.8% number. Do you know in what context that applies? How many attempts, position being played, opposing team and players, etc? How about a breakdown by season? Lots of variables involved. That's why I don't trust numbers without going to the source. Do you know where those numbers are? Probably need a PFF subscription to access them. Admittedly I'm ignorant to that info. I'm going to try digging up some better info.

05-24-2017, 05:44 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,123	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I'm hoping for the best like everyone. But I'll be completely honest with you guys... I think we're still gonna suck at the LB position. We have a bunch of crap that we're hoping Mike Nolan can work a miracle with. I'm not being pessimistic at all... remember, I'm hoping for the best here. Just taking the black and gold glasses off for a second. this is an honest assessment and not some BS remark. I am with you. Piling guys so you hope something sticks ChrisXVI likes this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by spkb25 this is an honest assessment and not some BS remark. I am with you. Piling guys so you hope something sticks I do have hope for AJ Klein. I sort of bought in to the criticism that he was bad in coverage but I spent a little time watching some Panthers games from last season and he didn't look that bad at all. My whole thing though is that we talk about Nolan being a great LB coach but he didn't exactly have to polish a turd when he had the likes of Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis. spkb25 and Rugby Saint II like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by ChrisXVI My whole thing though is that we talk about Nolan being a great LB coach but he didn't exactly have to polish a turd when he had the likes of Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis. I think we will see the best of what Anthony can do under Nolan's tutelage. Maybe, just maybe he can find the untapped potential. On the other hand, did you by chance check out the sound byte from Raider HC Jack Del Rio discussing how he isn't sold on their LB position .. even after the draft? Sometimes I wonder if at any point Stephone (or any other young player we have) is subject to trade talk . We have a ton of guys in camp (specifically LB) & it's a numbers game so we can't hold on to all of them. Just something to think about as we approach training camp .

05-24-2017, 10:12 AM	#7
jlaw8920 100th Post Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 123	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I do have hope for AJ Klein. I sort of bought in to the criticism that he was bad in coverage but I spent a little time watching some Panthers games from last season and he didn't look that bad at all. My whole thing though is that we talk about Nolan being a great LB coach but he didn't exactly have to polish a turd when he had the likes of Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis. I agree, I think Klein looked good for the most part last year, and I'm honestly excited about him. The only thing that scares me a little bit is remembering when we played Carolina last year. The game when Kuechly got hurt in the 3rd quarter. We were losing 23-3, then dropped 17 to Carolina's 0 in the fourth, and almost came back to win. It seemed like the coverage drastically dropped off after Klein subbed in. At the same time, they had other injuries happen that game.
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05-23-2017, 03:24 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Is AJ this sideline to sideline dawg we've been waiting for? I certainly hope he comes close but we simply don't know how well the linebacker group will pan out until training camp starts. Put me in the guarded optimism camp. I'm still shaking off the bad taste James L left last season. Time will tell. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

05-23-2017, 04:13 PM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Who the hell knows. Anthony's light bulb could click and go on and Elerbie could have his first injury free year. The pieces are there potentially but as others have said three of those guys probably won't play the majority of the season.
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05-23-2017, 04:54 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints' plan to fix linebacker woes: More is better Originally Posted by The Dude Elerbie could have his first injury free year. Come on Dude ... that's wishful thinking right there. SaintFanInATLHELL, jnormand, spkb25 and 3 others like this.

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