ESPN: Coby Fleener more comfortable, hopes for better in Year 2 with Saints

K Major · 05-28-2017, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

If you look at the stats, last year he ended up petty much the same as 3 previous years.
He's not a bad player; we simply overpaid.

In terms of pay, Fleener ranked at 10. Based on production, he was about equal to that. He is by no means Jimmy Dickens (Graham), but a lot of us (not you) are measuring Fleener against him. Jimmy is a freak of nature at this position.

I do agree, he isn't a bad player but he needs to step up in 2017.

Edit: here is the pay rank for TE contracts. https://overthecap.com/position/tight-end/

jeanpierre · 05-28-2017, 06:33 PM

Well this may seem naive and arrogant, but I'd think a TE like Fleener would have paid to play with Brees and that Loomis and Payton grossly overpaid for him...

It's natural to compare TEs, and comparison to Graham are inevitable considering all factors; however, my big criticism, aside from his mullet which I poke for fun, is his inability to convert the clutch catches...

The Saints' offense inconsistency to convert 3rd downs when needed despite its overall offensive numbers, is why this team failed last year because, let's face it, we knew the defense was not gonna hold up its end...

WillSaints81 · 05-29-2017, 12:46 AM

^Exactly

I said it before, we lost games because of him. And it bothers me that all will be okay if he does better next year. It's no excuse to waste Brees' chances at the playoffs because of anyone on the offense.

|Mitch| · 05-29-2017, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I said it before, we lost games because of him.

But at the end of the day, it's a team game... Hell if we had a halfway decent defense, we wouldn't have to rely on the offense and half as much...

Just look at the 2009 season(if you were even following the Saints); Sharper and the rest of the defense were putting up so many defensive points 40+ burgers were pretty much the norm...

nola_swammi · 05-29-2017, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

In terms of pay, Fleener ranked at 10. Based on production, he was about equal to that. He is by no means Jimmy Dickens (Graham), but a lot of us (not you) are measuring Fleener against him. Jimmy is a freak of nature at this position.

I do agree, he isn't a bad player but he needs to step up in 2017.

Edit: here is the pay rank for TE contracts. https://overthecap.com/position/tight-end/

Rank 10th but on guarantees 2nd to no one.

WillSaints81 · 05-29-2017, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

But at the end of the day, it's a team game... Hell if we had a halfway decent defense, we wouldn't have to rely on the offense and half as much...

Just look at the 2009 season(if you were even following the Saints); Sharper and the rest of the defense were putting up so many defensive points 40+ burgers were pretty much the norm...

If he caught the passes against Oakland, we take some time off that clock because the next play after his failed catch we scored a TD. He would have certainly been the difference maker against the giants with how he was targeted as well as TB week 14. He did not show up in the good defensive games we had. I can't believe I am having to do this again.

Seer1 · 05-29-2017, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

But at the end of the day, it's a team game... Hell if we had a halfway decent defense, we wouldn't have to rely on the offense and half as much...

Just look at the 2009 season(if you were even following the Saints); Sharper and the rest of the defense were putting up so many defensive points 40+ burgers were pretty much the norm...

And don't forget that beautiful turnover ratio!

Cruize · 05-29-2017, 02:07 PM

Good player. Not great. The Saints paid too much for him. Brees has made less talented receivers look good. Don't know why it didn't click last year. Surely year two has to be better.

rezburna · 05-29-2017, 03:03 PM

Just go up and catch the seam routes. Tiny, ass Lance Moore and Brandin Cooks did that better than Fleener while here.

jeanpierre · 05-29-2017, 03:17 PM

Simple, Fleener has got to reduce the drops, especially those on third down...

05-28-2017, 05:31 PM	#21
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ESPN: Coby Fleener more comfortable, hopes for better in Year 2 with Saints Originally Posted by ScottF If you look at the stats, last year he ended up petty much the same as 3 previous years. He's not a bad player; we simply overpaid. In terms of pay, Fleener ranked at 10. Based on production, he was about equal to that. He is by no means Jimmy Dickens (Graham), but a lot of us (not you) are measuring Fleener against him. Jimmy is a freak of nature at this position. I do agree, he isn't a bad player but he needs to step up in 2017. Edit: here is the pay rank for TE contracts. https://overthecap.com/position/tight-end/

05-28-2017, 06:33 PM	#22
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: ESPN: Coby Fleener more comfortable, hopes for better in Year 2 with Saints Well this may seem naive and arrogant, but I'd think a TE like Fleener would have paid to play with Brees and that Loomis and Payton grossly overpaid for him... It's natural to compare TEs, and comparison to Graham are inevitable considering all factors; however, my big criticism, aside from his mullet which I poke for fun, is his inability to convert the clutch catches... The Saints' offense inconsistency to convert 3rd downs when needed despite its overall offensive numbers, is why this team failed last year because, let's face it, we knew the defense was not gonna hold up its end...
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05-29-2017, 12:46 AM	#23
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: ESPN: Coby Fleener more comfortable, hopes for better in Year 2 with Saints ^Exactly I said it before, we lost games because of him. And it bothers me that all will be okay if he does better next year. It's no excuse to waste Brees' chances at the playoffs because of anyone on the offense.

05-29-2017, 12:54 AM	#24
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: ESPN: Coby Fleener more comfortable, hopes for better in Year 2 with Saints Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I said it before, we lost games because of him. But at the end of the day, it's a team game... Hell if we had a halfway decent defense, we wouldn't have to rely on the offense and half as much... Just look at the 2009 season(if you were even following the Saints); Sharper and the rest of the defense were putting up so many defensive points 40+ burgers were pretty much the norm... SmashMouth and Seer1 like this.

05-29-2017, 03:05 AM	#25
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: ESPN: Coby Fleener more comfortable, hopes for better in Year 2 with Saints Originally Posted by K Major In terms of pay, Fleener ranked at 10. Based on production, he was about equal to that. He is by no means Jimmy Dickens (Graham), but a lot of us (not you) are measuring Fleener against him. Jimmy is a freak of nature at this position. I do agree, he isn't a bad player but he needs to step up in 2017. Edit: here is the pay rank for TE contracts. https://overthecap.com/position/tight-end/ Rank 10th but on guarantees 2nd to no one.

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05-29-2017, 12:24 PM	#26
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: ESPN: Coby Fleener more comfortable, hopes for better in Year 2 with Saints Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| But at the end of the day, it's a team game... Hell if we had a halfway decent defense, we wouldn't have to rely on the offense and half as much... Just look at the 2009 season(if you were even following the Saints); Sharper and the rest of the defense were putting up so many defensive points 40+ burgers were pretty much the norm... If he caught the passes against Oakland, we take some time off that clock because the next play after his failed catch we scored a TD. He would have certainly been the difference maker against the giants with how he was targeted as well as TB week 14. He did not show up in the good defensive games we had. I can't believe I am having to do this again.

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: ESPN: Coby Fleener more comfortable, hopes for better in Year 2 with Saints Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| But at the end of the day, it's a team game... Hell if we had a halfway decent defense, we wouldn't have to rely on the offense and half as much... Just look at the 2009 season(if you were even following the Saints); Sharper and the rest of the defense were putting up so many defensive points 40+ burgers were pretty much the norm... And don't forget that beautiful turnover ratio!

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Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: ESPN: Coby Fleener more comfortable, hopes for better in Year 2 with Saints Good player. Not great. The Saints paid too much for him. Brees has made less talented receivers look good. Don't know why it didn't click last year. Surely year two has to be better.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: ESPN: Coby Fleener more comfortable, hopes for better in Year 2 with Saints Just go up and catch the seam routes. Tiny, ass Lance Moore and Brandin Cooks did that better than Fleener while here.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: ESPN: Coby Fleener more comfortable, hopes for better in Year 2 with Saints Simple, Fleener has got to reduce the drops, especially those on third down...

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