Saints plan to be 'smart' with Hau'oli Kikaha's Return...

05-29-2017, 09:20 PM

If we're going to keep Kikaha and not ship him off to a 3-4 team; I'd really like to move him to the WLB spot and shift Anzalone to either the Mike or Sam (preferably the Sam like Fujita)...

K Major · 05-29-2017, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

If we're going to keep Kikaha and not ship him off to a 3-4 team; I'd really like to move him to the WLB spot and shift Anzalone to either the Mike or Sam (preferably the Sam like Fujita)...

Post draft Payton stated Anzalone would probably start out at WLB. Camp should be the telling story there.

I think some of the confusion about where Anzalone is playing is due to the evolution of the defense. Our WLB is now almost as likely to blitz has he is to drop into coverage on passing downs. Since we spend so much time with 2 LBs and 3 safeties, that WLB is the new joker LB position (sorta). He could be a wildcard that could be doing anything on any given snap. At least, that's how I feel Ellerbe was used last year, and how I expect the WLB to be used this season.

Beastmode · 05-29-2017, 11:51 PM

This ship has sailed. Impossible to recover from that many ACL issues. One, ok, maybe. Beyond that, no. You are a fool hearted fan if you have faith in that situation.

K Major · 05-30-2017, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

This ship has sailed. Impossible to recover from that many ACL issues. One, ok, maybe. Beyond that, no. You are a fool hearted fan if you have faith in that situation.

I tend to agree. Mentioned it in a previous post that after 3 torn ACL's, anything positive we get from Kikaha is Lagniappe.

WillSaints81 · 05-30-2017, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Odds are it's time to get lucky and stay healthy.

All the injuries we have had have mainly come from players who has a past history of it or got hurt the first season. Rookies aren't as big as seasoned NFL players and a injury to them before even taking a real snap can be traumatizing and and they are fracturing and breaking bones surrounded by smaller muscles. That can be something hard to overcome.

This has been the FO's problem drafting players with elite upside to be gotten in later rounds due to injury rather than getting decent second round and later talents like Perryman.

The more we look at it, the 2015 draft was a bust. Because we have four injured players, one no longer on the team, and a seventh rounder that's been mediocre and not excelling in the return department he was drafted for. We additionally have drafted one other slow to get up player. The only players we drafted that's amounted to anything in terms of both play and staying healthy were Peat and Davidson.

AsylumGuido · 05-30-2017, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

All the injuries we have had have mainly come from players who has a past history of it or got hurt the first season. Rookies aren't as big as seasoned NFL players and a injury to them before even taking a real snap can be traumatizing and and they are fracturing and breaking bones surrounded by smaller muscles. That can be something hard to overcome.

This has been the FO's problem drafting players with elite upside to be gotten in later rounds due to injury rather than getting decent second round and later talents like Perryman.

The more we look at it, the 2015 draft was a bust. Because we have four injured players, one no longer on the team, and a seventh rounder that's been mediocre and not excelling in the return department he was drafted for. We additionally have drafted one other slow to get up player. The only players we drafted that's amounted to anything in terms of both play and staying healthy were Peat and Davidson.

What the hell are you talking about? There is so much about that first paragraph that is just plain ... well, dumb, for lack of a better word.

The Dude · 05-30-2017, 01:11 PM

Why we draft guys with a history of injuries boggles my mind. This team already has bad enough luck with injuries.

AsylumGuido · 05-30-2017, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Why we draft guys with a history of injuries boggles my mind. This team already has bad enough luck with injuries.

All teams draft players with a history of injuries. Few players emerge from their college career without some sort of injury either in high school or college. You can go to any team forum and read the exact same sort of statement you just made.

jeanpierre · 05-30-2017, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Why we draft guys with a history of injuries boggles my mind. This team already has bad enough luck with injuries.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

All teams draft players with a history of injuries. Few players emerge from their college career without some sort of injury either in high school or college. You can go to any team forum and read the exact same sort of statement you just made.

Eric Asher (New Orleans Sports Show Host) brought up a good point that the Saints do need to eval their medical resources with OHSM (Ochsner) and their risks with injured players...

Either way, with the talent the Saints have accumulated at CB the last three seasons, they seem to be better prepared for the attrition of the NFL this season...

jeanpierre · 05-31-2017, 10:02 AM

05-29-2017, 09:20 PM	#11
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05-29-2017, 09:49 PM	#12
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints plan to be 'smart' with Hau'oli Kikaha's Return... Originally Posted by jeanpierre If we're going to keep Kikaha and not ship him off to a 3-4 team; I'd really like to move him to the WLB spot and shift Anzalone to either the Mike or Sam (preferably the Sam like Fujita)... Post draft Payton stated Anzalone would probably start out at WLB. Camp should be the telling story there. I think some of the confusion about where Anzalone is playing is due to the evolution of the defense. Our WLB is now almost as likely to blitz has he is to drop into coverage on passing downs. Since we spend so much time with 2 LBs and 3 safeties, that WLB is the new joker LB position (sorta). He could be a wildcard that could be doing anything on any given snap. At least, that's how I feel Ellerbe was used last year, and how I expect the WLB to be used this season. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

05-29-2017, 11:51 PM	#13
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05-30-2017, 09:16 AM	#14
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints plan to be 'smart' with Hau'oli Kikaha's Return... Originally Posted by Beastmode This ship has sailed. Impossible to recover from that many ACL issues. One, ok, maybe. Beyond that, no. You are a fool hearted fan if you have faith in that situation. I tend to agree. Mentioned it in a previous post that after 3 torn ACL's, anything positive we get from Kikaha is Lagniappe. Beastmode likes this.

05-30-2017, 11:55 AM	#15
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Saints plan to be 'smart' with Hau'oli Kikaha's Return... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Odds are it's time to get lucky and stay healthy. All the injuries we have had have mainly come from players who has a past history of it or got hurt the first season. Rookies aren't as big as seasoned NFL players and a injury to them before even taking a real snap can be traumatizing and and they are fracturing and breaking bones surrounded by smaller muscles. That can be something hard to overcome. This has been the FO's problem drafting players with elite upside to be gotten in later rounds due to injury rather than getting decent second round and later talents like Perryman. The more we look at it, the 2015 draft was a bust. Because we have four injured players, one no longer on the team, and a seventh rounder that's been mediocre and not excelling in the return department he was drafted for. We additionally have drafted one other slow to get up player. The only players we drafted that's amounted to anything in terms of both play and staying healthy were Peat and Davidson.

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05-30-2017, 12:37 PM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints plan to be 'smart' with Hau'oli Kikaha's Return... Originally Posted by WillSaints81 All the injuries we have had have mainly come from players who has a past history of it or got hurt the first season. Rookies aren't as big as seasoned NFL players and a injury to them before even taking a real snap can be traumatizing and and they are fracturing and breaking bones surrounded by smaller muscles. That can be something hard to overcome. This has been the FO's problem drafting players with elite upside to be gotten in later rounds due to injury rather than getting decent second round and later talents like Perryman. The more we look at it, the 2015 draft was a bust. Because we have four injured players, one no longer on the team, and a seventh rounder that's been mediocre and not excelling in the return department he was drafted for. We additionally have drafted one other slow to get up player. The only players we drafted that's amounted to anything in terms of both play and staying healthy were Peat and Davidson. What the hell are you talking about? There is so much about that first paragraph that is just plain ... well, dumb, for lack of a better word.

05-30-2017, 01:11 PM	#17
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05-30-2017, 01:17 PM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Saints plan to be 'smart' with Hau'oli Kikaha's Return... Originally Posted by The Dude Why we draft guys with a history of injuries boggles my mind. This team already has bad enough luck with injuries. All teams draft players with a history of injuries. Few players emerge from their college career without some sort of injury either in high school or college. You can go to any team forum and read the exact same sort of statement you just made.

05-30-2017, 06:20 PM	#19
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints plan to be 'smart' with Hau'oli Kikaha's Return... Originally Posted by The Dude Why we draft guys with a history of injuries boggles my mind. This team already has bad enough luck with injuries. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido All teams draft players with a history of injuries. Few players emerge from their college career without some sort of injury either in high school or college. You can go to any team forum and read the exact same sort of statement you just made. Eric Asher (New Orleans Sports Show Host) brought up a good point that the Saints do need to eval their medical resources with OHSM (Ochsner) and their risks with injured players... Either way, with the talent the Saints have accumulated at CB the last three seasons, they seem to be better prepared for the attrition of the NFL this season... ChrisXVI likes this.

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