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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There is a thing called "best practices" in medicine. Surgery is never the first option if any other option is available. Doing it any other way would be, in your own words, "playing games". I know ...

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Old 06-15-2017, 07:55 AM   #1
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There is a thing called "best practices" in medicine. Surgery is never the first option if any other option is available. Doing it any other way would be, in your own words, "playing games". I know quite a bit about this. I hear about it every day. My wife is a long time malpractice claims adjuster representing half the hospitals and doctors in the state of Louisiana. Performing surgery without first eliminating other less invasive options would open up a can of malpractice worms. That is a fact.
The best practice is to fix it
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There is a thing called "best practices" in medicine. Surgery is never the first option if any other option is available. Doing it any other way would be, in your own words, "playing games". I know quite a bit about this. I hear about it every day. My wife is a long time malpractice claims adjuster representing half the hospitals and doctors in the state of Louisiana. Performing surgery without first eliminating other less invasive options would open up a can of malpractice worms. That is a fact.
No that is because most claims adjusters try and limit their cost so they always go with the conservative approach. Anyone who has been hurt on the job knows how those people work. The saints and Max do not have that issue.
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Won't play a game for the Saints this year and probably will have to retire. Foot surgeries on extremely large athletes does not usually work out well.
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Won't play a game for the Saints this year and probably will have to retire. Foot surgeries on extremely large athletes does not usually work out well.
Is that a fact? Have you got a crystal ball? And what evidence do you have to back up your claim of lack of success of Lisfranc surgeries on extremely large athletes? Medical journal study perhaps?
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Old 06-15-2017, 08:55 PM   #6
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Well, in what seems like another lifetime, I worked at Tulane for four (4) years on a floor that included orthopedics, plastics to pay my way through school...

Then worked for five years in Managed Healthcare (HMO, PPO, TPA) writing dBase tables for everything from benefits, membership, claims adjudication, sales/commissions, and member service documentation and management, etc...

There are days I wished I didn't know all I knew from those nine years, especially when I'm with family or close friends at the Phys office, Urgernt Care, CCU, SICU, etc or realizing a claims processing choice that screws the patient and I recognize the same song or rodeo or dog & pony show bullshinski I learned of then...

Guido is exactly right that most doctors and the business directors of those PHOs (Physican Hospital Organizations) heavily influence the decision making to lean to the idea of do no more harm than good, limiting liability, exposure...

It's easier from a legal defensive point to say we did nothing and only be limited to damages for doing nothing than to risk invasive procedures by doing thus and still no improvement and being second guessed later why a number of other options were not used...

However, in the case of Max Unger, firmly believe in my gut the Ochsner Docs were covering their collective arses rather than processing all factors including my earlier point...

...around that rather simple human arch system he has is a super human amount of flesh and muscle and that that his bearing weight of 300+ lbs alone was more than his arch could bear in its injured state...

I worked with some Docs 25+ years ago who's names have sometimes been in the news these past years with regards to high profile athletes and injuries and I know they'd advised the stabilization of the Lisfranc injury as soon as trauma and inflammation had reduced for Sx...

It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...
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Old 06-15-2017, 09:18 PM   #7
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Well, in what seems like another lifetime, I worked at Tulane for four (4) years on a floor that included orthopedics, plastics to pay my way through school...

Then worked for five years in Managed Healthcare (HMO, PPO, TPA) writing dBase tables for everything from benefits, membership, claims adjudication, sales/commissions, and member service documentation and management, etc...

There are days I wished I didn't know all I knew from those nine years, especially when I'm with family or close friends at the Phys office, Urgernt Care, CCU, SICU, etc or realizing a claims processing choice that screws the patient and I recognize the same song or rodeo or dog & pony show bullshinski I learned of then...

Guido is exactly right that most doctors and the business directors of those PHOs (Physican Hospital Organizations) heavily influence the decision making to lean to the idea of do no more harm than good, limiting liability, exposure...

It's easier from a legal defensive point to say we did nothing and only be limited to damages for doing nothing than to risk invasive procedures by doing thus and still no improvement and being second guessed later why a number of other options were not used...

However, in the case of Max Unger, firmly believe in my gut the Ochsner Docs were covering their collective arses rather than processing all factors including my earlier point...

...around that rather simple human arch system he has is a super human amount of flesh and muscle and that that his bearing weight of 300+ lbs alone was more than his arch could bear in its injured state...

I worked with some Docs 25+ years ago who's names have sometimes been in the news these past years with regards to high profile athletes and injuries and I know they'd advised the stabilization of the Lisfranc injury as soon as trauma and inflammation had reduced for Sx...
I have never known a doctor to er on the side of less money. Unless you're dealing with a back or neck..they'll open you right up. Well until you're dealing with workplace doctors (and insurance)...then they tell you to go conservative. Conservative on the funds they mean. JUST MY HOP
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Well, in what seems like another lifetime, I worked at Tulane for four (4) years on a floor that included orthopedics, plastics to pay my way through school...

Then worked for five years in Managed Healthcare (HMO, PPO, TPA) writing dBase tables for everything from benefits, membership, claims adjudication, sales/commissions, and member service documentation and management, etc...

There are days I wished I didn't know all I knew from those nine years, especially when I'm with family or close friends at the Phys office, Urgernt Care, CCU, SICU, etc or realizing a claims processing choice that screws the patient and I recognize the same song or rodeo or dog & pony show bullshinski I learned of then...

Guido is exactly right that most doctors and the business directors of those PHOs (Physican Hospital Organizations) heavily influence the decision making to lean to the idea of do no more harm than good, limiting liability, exposure...

It's easier from a legal defensive point to say we did nothing and only be limited to damages for doing nothing than to risk invasive procedures by doing thus and still no improvement and being second guessed later why a number of other options were not used...

However, in the case of Max Unger, firmly believe in my gut the Ochsner Docs were covering their collective arses rather than processing all factors including my earlier point...

...around that rather simple human arch system he has is a super human amount of flesh and muscle and that that his bearing weight of 300+ lbs alone was more than his arch could bear in its injured state...

I worked with some Docs 25+ years ago who's names have sometimes been in the news these past years with regards to high profile athletes and injuries and I know they'd advised the stabilization of the Lisfranc injury as soon as trauma and inflammation had reduced for Sx...
You're right about Unger..that's why he had the surgery.
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You're right about Unger..that's why he had the surgery.
Yes. He had the surgery AFTER it was determined that it wouldn't stabilize on its own. Normal best practice with most Lisfranc injuries.
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Old 06-15-2017, 09:47 PM   #10
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Yes. He had the surgery AFTER it was determined that it wouldn't stabilize on its own. Normal best practice with most Lisfranc injuries.
yes, so there was a whole bunch of wasted time. That's wht JP said, he is right
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