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spkb25 06-27-2017 05:24 PM

Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
We’ve got some tough circumstances we’re dealing with right now,” Brees told Larry Holder of the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

Starting left tackle Terron Armstead will miss several months after injuring his shoulder during offseason workouts. Quarterback Drew Brees provided a blunt assessment of the situation on Tuesday.

“Listen, that’s a big blow. I’m not going to lie,” Brees told Larry Holder




Drew Brees admits Saints are dealing with “some tough circumstances” | ProFootballTalk

AsylumGuido 06-27-2017 05:59 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
This story really blows your skirt up, doesn't it, spk? LOL!!

In the past two months you have posted two (2) articles concerning the Saints.

Fairley has possible career ending heart condition

And now this one. It seems as if the narrative isn't negative you have no interest in sharing.

There is an alarming trend.

:rolleyes:

AsylumGuido 06-27-2017 06:30 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
You leave out the opening paragraph of the article to advance to the three most negative.

Quote:

The Saints have Super Bowl aspirations. To get there, someone will have to step up at a couple of key positions.
:rolleyes:

Beastmode 06-27-2017 07:15 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Pats lost not one but two QB's and were still winning. Not a big blow if the team game plan how to mitigate it. Losing a great LT is painful but there is plenty of time to figure it out.

WillSaints81 06-27-2017 08:16 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Was it a big blow last year when Armstead was not playing in most of the games? Something tells me they don't expect Warford to completely fill Evans' shoes.

Brees is basically saying why we needed to look into oline this offseason and draft.

papz 06-27-2017 08:21 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Same story new year.

Life of a Saints fan.

AsylumGuido 06-27-2017 08:32 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 753722)
Same story new year.

Life of a Saints fan.

Same negative twist on a story. My life of a Saints fan since 1967 has been great. I follow and love my team. We even won it all!

We'll win it again even if some negative losers feel otherwise and then decide to jump on the bandwagon again.

papz 06-27-2017 09:48 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
I think you're being a bit unfair to spk here. He's here year in year out supporting the team. Every team deals with injuries but the good ones rise up and overcome them. We haven't shown that we've been able to do that in recent memory. Is it wrong to to express some frustration?

That said, I just saw the article for what it was. Just another article to read to get us by until the season starts.

CharityMike 06-28-2017 12:34 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 753725)
I think you're being a bit unfair to spk here. He's here year in year out supporting the team. Every team deals with injuries but the good ones rise up and overcome them. We haven't shown that we've been able to do that in recent memory. Is it wrong to to express some frustration?

That said, I just saw the article for what it was. Just another article to read to get us by until the season starts.

Have to agree. This pissing match between you two is out of control. Someone needs to MAN UP and be the bigger person and let it go.

spkb25 06-28-2017 06:04 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 753725)

That said, I just saw the article for what it was. Just another article to read to get us by until the season starts.

Exactly. It was just an article that included a chat with Drew

spkb25 06-28-2017 06:04 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 753736)
Have to agree. This pissing match between you two is out of control. Someone needs to MAN UP and be the bigger person and let it go.

Thanks bro, I don't even respond to him anymore. Been days since I have even responded to him.

hagan714 06-28-2017 06:51 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
on what might be an insight to teams needs, one only needs to use that sinking feeling with each story on the bum-o-meter deep in a fans gut.

The quality of depth at DT about to proven right or wrong.
Hate to have DT forced on us as key need in 2018. I have it on my list but to be forced into it? grrrrr

OT is a wait and see. We drafted two first round OT and have a tried and true long tooth vet set to go. this will answer the peat question once and for all.

Can the rookie jump in at LG and shock the world if Peat is at LT?
I think he can handle it. What a huge plus this would be

Will the saints be forced to run the ball more till our starter returns?
Running the ball more early on, might do this team some good in the long run.

OC seems to be the biggest concern for me at this point for the needs wish list in 2018. no questions in my book, huge need

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 08:21 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753744)
Thanks bro, I don't even respond to him anymore. Been days since I have even responded to him.

You haven't responded because you know you falsely accused me multiple times of first saying we would be weaker without Fairley and then saying we would be better or the same without him. You then obviously went back and saw that was not what I said at all, yet wouldn't admit the fact when I questioned you about it. That's what pissed me off.

I'l take your lack of response as acceptance of that fact.

spkb25 06-28-2017 08:52 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 753748)
on what might be an insight to teams needs, one only needs to use that sinking feeling with each story on the bum-o-meter deep in a fans gut.

The quality of depth at DT about to proven right or wrong.
Hate to have DT forced on us as key need in 2018. I have it on my list but to be forced into it? grrrrr

OT is a wait and see. We drafted two first round OT and have a tried and true long tooth vet set to go. this will answer the peat question once and for all.

Can the rookie jump in at LG and shock the world if Peat is at LT?
I think he can handle it. What a huge plus this would be

Will the saints be forced to run the ball more till our starter returns?
Running the ball more early on, might do this team some good in the long run.

OC seems to be the biggest concern for me at this point for the needs wish list in 2018. no questions in my book, huge need

Lots of questions and few certainties. Absolutely. The injuries add more questions than anything. Have to hope we come through camp and preseason without anymore significant injuries.

jeanpierre 06-28-2017 09:01 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
You can be critical, honest about a situation and not necessarily be negative...

I try to be positive as I'm Saints fan; but, it's probably easier to name the things I dislike as that list is shorter than the things I love about the Saints...

But there does seem to be a few "apologist" articles coming out as if to lower expectations for a Drew Brees-led team...

Seer1 06-28-2017 09:22 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
There's also that ignore button in the user cp. I've only used it once, but it's made being here so much more enjoyable for everyone. It saves my pissed-offedness for the national political scene plus I also don't have to scroll through so many pointless posts to get to Forever's and Smash's posts anymore.

73Saint 06-28-2017 09:32 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 753765)
There's also that ignore button in the user cp. I've only used it once, but it's made being here so much more enjoyable for everyone. It saves my pissed-offedness for the national political scene plus I also don't have to scroll through so many pointless posts to get to Forever's and Smash's posts anymore.


Pissed-offedness. Now there's a great word. I thought I was the only one who used it!

halloween 65 06-28-2017 10:24 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 753748)
on what might be an insight to teams needs, one only needs to use that sinking feeling with each story on the bum-o-meter deep in a fans gut.

The quality of depth at DT about to proven right or wrong.
Hate to have DT forced on us as key need in 2018. I have it on my list but to be forced into it? grrrrr

OT is a wait and see. We drafted two first round OT and have a tried and true long tooth vet set to go. this will answer the peat question once and for all.

Can the rookie jump in at LG and shock the world if Peat is at LT?
I think he can handle it. What a huge plus this would be

Will the saints be forced to run the ball more till our starter returns?
Running the ball more early on, might do this team some good in the long run.

OC seems to be the biggest concern for me at this point for the needs wish list in 2018. no questions in my book, huge need

Being forced to draft another DT/NT might not be a bad thing, I wanted to let Fairley walk and draft one this draft. I'm all about preventative measures. Depth at both front lines being key. I don't think even with Fairley we were stout enough up front, our middle stayed exposed, even with as much as Allen likes to blitz we got gashed. It's going to get interesting with Armstead and I agree about running the ball more since we got Peterson. Fleener will be key this season, never thought I have to put faith in that guy? He didn't impress me any last season, everytime Brees threw him the ball last season I cringed.How good would Hankins be looking right now?

Seer1 06-28-2017 11:19 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 73Saint (Post 753767)
Pissed-offedness. Now there's a great word. I thought I was the only one who used it!

The hell you say! I copyrighted it! There's a one Turbodog surcharge every time you say it sir!

K Major 06-28-2017 11:32 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
I don't like to harp on the past however on paper I think we have the pieces in place in the secondary to carry a defense. Circle back to that 2009 - 2010 Saints team ... I don't believe we had dominate guys up front however that secondary was nasty. Sharper, Porter, Gay, Harper & Greer (all very good players). Don't sleep on the "new guys" ... Lattimore, Breaux, Marcus Williams & PJ. I still believe there is more than one way to skin a cat ;).

Bring it.

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 11:38 AM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 753785)
I don't like to harp on the past however on paper I think we have the pieces in place in the secondary to carry a defense. Circle back to that 2009 - 2010 Saints team ... I don't believe we had dominate guys up front however that secondary was nasty. Sharper, Porter, Gay, Harper & Greer (all very good players). Don't sleep on the "new guys" ... Lattimore, Breaux, Marcus Williams & PJ. I still believe there is more than one way to skin a cat ;).

Bring it.

And, as I pointed out in another thread, losing Fairley does weaken what we currently have as a defensive line, but even without Fairley I believe the overall line is better than what we had last year. Add in a potentially more athletic LB corps along with that secondary and we should be seeing a MUCH improved defense.

spkb25 06-28-2017 12:36 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 753785)
I don't like to harp on the past however on paper I think we have the pieces in place in the secondary to carry a defense. Circle back to that 2009 - 2010 Saints team ... I don't believe we had dominate guys up front however that secondary was nasty. Sharper, Porter, Gay, Harper & Greer (all very good players). Don't sleep on the "new guys" ... Lattimore, Breaux, Marcus Williams & PJ. I still believe there is more than one way to skin a cat ;).

Bring it.

It all starts up front. Always has and always will. Line play is extremely important, both sides. You have to get pressure to be successful. In 09 we put a lot of pressure on. It didn't hurt that we were ahead in so many games that our D just got to pin their ears back because the other team was one dimensional. Same in 2011. So that is another thing to take into account. If our offense is humming like 09 and 11 then that can help our d as well.

Papa Voodoo 06-28-2017 01:41 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753786)
And, as I pointed out in another thread, losing Fairley does weaken what we currently have as a defensive line, but even without Fairley I believe the overall line is better than what we had last year. Add in a potentially more athletic LB corps along with that secondary and we should be seeing a MUCH improved defense.

Someone else pointed out (too lazy to go digging) that we don't want Fairley dropping dead on the field (obviously). Talk about derailing a season...it happened to the Vikings several seasons ago. I would like to point out that while losing Fairley was a loss to the D line, adding McDaniel brought some strength back to it. He's no slouch.

K Major 06-28-2017 01:47 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753789)
It all starts up front. Always has and always will. Line play is extremely important, both sides. You have to get pressure to be successful. In 09 we put a lot of pressure on. It didn't hurt that we were ahead in so many games that our D just got to pin their ears back because the other team was one dimensional. Same in 2011. So that is another thing to take into account. If our offense is humming like 09 and 11 then that can help our d as well.

I never said it didn't. Losing Nick is a blow but not insurmountable. His push up the middle was nasty however we still have Rankins, Onyemata, Davison , newly signed Tony McDaniel + a draft/rookie who could be a baller. The cup board is hardly bare on the D line.

Chris mentioned in a previous post but the coaching staff could kick Cam inside & then see how Kikaha does along with Okafor making a presence off the edge. I believe the back end will be a lot better this year.

Side note - keep an eye on Rankins. I think he makes a huge step forward in 2017.

Trust and believe brother.

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 02:04 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 753792)
Someone else pointed out (too lazy to go digging) that we don't want Fairley dropping dead on the field (obviously). Talk about derailing a season...it happened to the Vikings several seasons ago. I would like to point out that while losing Fairley was a loss to the D line, adding McDaniel brought some strength back to it. He's no slouch.

Yup. That's why I feel, even with the loss of Fairley, that the D-Line will be better than what we had last season. Another big positive that hasn't been pointed out is the addition of Ryan Nielsen as the defensive line coach. I went to NC State where he came from so I watched as many of their games as was possible. His D-Lines were always great.

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 02:05 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 753794)
I never said it didn't. Losing Nick is a blow but not insurmountable. His push up the middle was nasty however we still have Rankins, Onyemata, Davison , newly signed Tony McDaniel + a draft/rookie who could be a baller. The cup board is hardly bare on the D line.

Chris mentioned in a previous post but the coaching staff could kick Cam inside & then see how Kikaha does along with Okafor making a presence off the edge. I believe the back end will be a lot better this year.

Side note - keep an eye on Rankins. I think he makes a huge step forward in 2017.

Trust and believe brother.

And don't forget Ryan Nielsen as the new defensive line coach!

:itsgood:

K Major 06-28-2017 02:36 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753797)
And don't forget Ryan Nielsen as the new defensive line coach!

:itsgood:

I think this is a good fit for our young guys on the line. Technique, technique, technique and has fire.

Side note - from my reading, there were countless of players on the NC State squad who were crushed that Ryan left. Devoted coach and teacher, not to mention the players loved him.

spkb25 06-28-2017 03:32 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 753794)
I never said it didn't. Losing Nick is a blow but not insurmountable. His push up the middle was nasty however we still have Rankins, Onyemata, Davison , newly signed Tony McDaniel + a draft/rookie who could be a baller. The cup board is hardly bare on the D line.

Chris mentioned in a previous post but the coaching staff could kick Cam inside & then see how Kikaha does along with Okafor making a presence off the edge. I believe the back end will be a lot better this year.

Side note - keep an eye on Rankins. I think he makes a huge step forward in 2017.

Trust and believe brother.

im sorry you're reading way into more than i wrote. I am discussing the game overall, not NF. So not sure where you got that from. I said it all starts up front. It does. Back-end will not cover up shatty line play. That's wishful thinking. Have no idea what we have in Ony. Have no idea what we have in Rankins. Don't know what McDaniel has left. There's potential which is what I have said all off-season. We have a lot of potential what it turns into who knows, but we cannot keep losing starters.

I am not trusting or believing anything. I will wait and see what the product looks like on the field. We have potential. We are certainly getting there. Have some nice pieces in place.

Alot of people on this board have used injuries as the excuse for 7-9 last season. Well it can't be the excuse in one minute and meaningless the next. Those two ideas contradict one another. The Pats overcame losing their two starting QB's...we aren't the Pats. When is the last time they were 7-9?

I am not saying it is all doom and gloom we have some potential.

K Major 06-28-2017 03:45 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Spkb25,

Que Sera, Sera .

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 04:07 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753805)
im sorry you're reading way into more than i wrote. I am discussing the game overall, not NF. So not sure where you got that from. I said it all starts up front. It does. Back-end will not cover up shatty line play. That's wishful thinking. Have no idea what we have in Ony. Have no idea what we have in Rankins. Don't know what McDaniel has left. There's potential which is what I have said all off-season. We have a lot of potential what it turns into who knows, but we cannot keep losing starters.

I am not trusting or believing anything. I will wait and see what the product looks like on the field. We have potential. We are certainly getting there. Have some nice pieces in place.

Alot of people on this board have used injuries as the excuse for 7-9 last season. Well it can't be the excuse in one minute and meaningless the next. Those two ideas contradict one another. The Pats overcame losing their two starting QB's...we aren't the Pats. When is the last time they were 7-9?

I am not saying it is all doom and gloom we have some potential.

Injuries were devastating last year because they gutted an entire CB corps. That was starters, backups and backups to backups. The offensive line had its issues, as well, with Armstead either playing hurt or missing games entirely. This season we have far more quality depth at every level. We can better handle the isolated injury. But, if we get hit with anything approaching what happened last season then, yes, things could go bad. Injuries are never meaningless. It is just that one injury to a unit is far more meaningless than six.

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 04:11 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 753806)
Spkb25,

Que Sera, Sera .

Great. Now I have Doris Day in my head.

https://lastfm-img2.akamaized.net/i/...a4ccbf640867d1

spkb25 06-28-2017 04:25 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 753806)
Spkb25,

Que Sera, Sera .

Pretty much

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 05:45 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 753809)
Pretty much

Yup.

Lyrics

When I was just a little girl
I asked my mother
What will I be
Will I be pretty
Will I be rich
Here's what she said to me

Que sera, sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera, sera
What will be, will be

When I grew up and fell in love
I asked my sweetheart
What lies ahead
Will we have rainbows
Day after day
Here's what my sweetheart said

Que sera, sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera, sera
What will be, will be

Now I have Children of my own
They ask their mother
What will I be
Will I be handsome
Will I be rich
I tell them tenderly

Que sera, sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera, sera
What will be, will be
Que Sera, Sera


Basically that says, don't worry and look forward. We have no control so worrying is wasted energy.

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 05:49 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
You also have to remember that I am about to turn sixty and I remember Doris Day as a hottie when I was a kid. I have always loved that song, too.

Seer1 06-28-2017 05:52 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Something about her in Annie Get Your Gun that always did me...

burningmetal 06-28-2017 06:16 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753714)
This story really blows your skirt up, doesn't it, spk? LOL!!

In the past two months you have posted two (2) articles concerning the Saints.

Fairley has possible career ending heart condition

And now this one. It seems as if the narrative isn't negative you have no interest in sharing.

There is an alarming trend.

:rolleyes:

These kinds of comments are what drive me away from wanting very much to do with posting here anymore. It burns me up that some people can't just take something for what it is, and instead they must insist that all others who decide to do something other than blow sunshine are just losers. Yet, if you were such a happy person as you claim to be, and that all others are just miserable people, then you should have no problem letting people express their opinions/frustrations without getting so upset about it.

It's very difficult for me to not have something to say to people when I see this. That's why the best thing is to just stay away and remove the problem, altogether. Perhaps you should consider this, as well, if all you will contribute to this forum is your disdain and insufferable superiority complex toward others.

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 06:44 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 753814)
Something about her in Annie Get Your Gun that always did me...

Tell me! :heart:

AsylumGuido 06-28-2017 06:48 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 753815)
These kinds of comments are what drive me away from wanting very much to do with posting here anymore. It burns me up that some people can't just take something for what it is, and instead they must insist that all others who decide to do something other than blow sunshine are just losers. Yet, if you were such a happy person as you claim to be, and that all others are just miserable people, then you should have no problem letting people express their opinions/frustrations without getting so upset about it.

It's very difficult for me to not have something to say to people when I see this. That's why the best thing is to just stay away and remove the problem, altogether. Perhaps you should consider this, as well, if all you will contribute to this forum is your disdain and insufferable superiority complex toward others.

Maybe we could meet and discuss it over a few beers. I have no issue with you.

QBREES9 06-28-2017 08:01 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Just taking the Rollercoster ride.

The Dude 06-28-2017 08:05 PM

Re: Saints dealing with some difficult situations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 753715)
You leave out the opening paragraph of the article to advance to the three most negative.



:rolleyes:

And here you go. You just can't let anyone be. Back to back posts on how "negative" spk is.

I guarantee if you saw the quote "Listen, that's a big blow I'm not going to lie" and had no idea that it was a quote from Drew, you would be all over them whining about how negative they are.

By you're standards it looks like your 5 year quarterback is negative. You should tell him so via twitter.

It's obvious you are just here for attention pressing the refresh button over and over until you see something you can cry about. I realize it's your job to monitor this board and put people in their place but maybe you should leave moms basement and get some sunshine every now and then.


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