Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton?

darksoul35 · 07-02-2017, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Could this also be the Pats last season with Brady and Belichick?

My guess is that Brees and Payton want to stay for 3 or 4 more years.

I hope thats exactly what happens

The Dude · 07-02-2017, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

I hope thats exactly what happens

So would you still want them after a couple more losing seasons?

I hope they stay along until I see improvement and we are winning. Anything less than that at this point and I'm ready to move on.

AsylumGuido · 07-02-2017, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

So would you still want them after a couple more losing seasons?

I hope they stay along until I see improvement and we are winning. Anything less than that at this point and I'm ready to move on.

You are in a tiny minority.

spkb25 · 07-02-2017, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

So would you still want them after a couple more losing seasons?

I hope they stay along until I see improvement and we are winning. Anything less than that at this point and I'm ready to move on.

Drew, yes. The guy is a winner. SP, if he can't turn it around, nope. Most of the fan base is slowly tiring of his act, but he can change that by winning again. Let's hope this year begins the turn around.,

AsylumGuido · 07-02-2017, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Drew, yes. The guy is a winner. SP, if he can't turn it around, nope. Most of the fan base is slowly tiring of his act, but he can change that by winning again. Let's hope this year begins the turn around.,

Only indirectly can the difficulties of the last three years be blamed on Payton. We all know his priority is the offense and the offense has remained one of the top two in the league virtually every year. He handed the defense over to Rob Ryan and it proved to be a disaster. Yes, that can be blamed on him. He can also be blamed for hanging on to Vitt and gang too long, but now they are gone and he replaced them with coaches with whom it appears we are all optimistic. He cannot be blamed for the injuries that decimated the defense last season. But, I guess he could be blamed for the special teams blunders that kept us from being 10-6 ... but, once again, he made a positive move in the coaching area there as well.

dizzle88 · 07-02-2017, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Only indirectly can the difficulties of the last three years be blamed on Payton. We all know his priority is the offense and the offense has remained one of the top two in the league virtually every year. He handed the defense over to Rob Ryan and it proved to be a disaster. Yes, that can be blamed on him. He can also be blamed for hanging on to Vitt and gang too long, but now they are gone and he replaced them with coaches with whom it appears we are all optimistic. He cannot be blamed for the injuries that decimated the defense last season. But, I guess he could be blamed for the special teams blunders that kept us from being 10-6 ... but, once again, he made a positive move in the coaching area there as well.

Rob had the defense playing great in 2013 and then "apparently" SP wanted a defense more like Seattle's, got too involved in the defense, got rid of some key members and then pinned it on Rob Ryan and sacked him.

I think SP is responsible for more of the D's failings than we know, 4 DC's in 5 years is not great.

voodooido · 07-02-2017, 04:46 PM

Brees would have to have a serious injury or the worst season of his career for us to let him walk. I could see a 2 year 40 million contract next year. He would be around for 3 years total breaking every qb record out there. All except farve into record lol. The city and team need Brees. He is the face of both and will be for years to come.

AsylumGuido · 07-03-2017, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Rob had the defense playing great in 2013 and then "apparently" SP wanted a defense more like Seattle's, got too involved in the defense, got rid of some key members and then pinned it on Rob Ryan and sacked him.

I think SP is responsible for more of the D's failings than we know, 4 DC's in 5 years is not great.

The defense was playing great because Ryan had not fully implemented his scheme. They were playing the same "dummied down" version in 2013 that they played his first year in Dallas when they looked good. Then, just as he had in Dallas, he implemented the full read and react scheme the following year and the players were always a second behind the play. He implied the Dallas players weren't smart enough to handle the scheme. No, his scheme simply doesn't work and never has when fully implemented.

Payton has finally decided to stick with a DC. THAT is a good thing. Although, Gregg Williams had to go. So did Ryan. It is time to stick with Allen.

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darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,045	Re: Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton? Originally Posted by Danno Could this also be the Pats last season with Brady and Belichick? My guess is that Brees and Payton want to stay for 3 or 4 more years. I hope thats exactly what happens
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,065	Re: Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton? Originally Posted by darksoul35 I hope thats exactly what happens So would you still want them after a couple more losing seasons? I hope they stay along until I see improvement and we are winning. Anything less than that at this point and I'm ready to move on.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton? Originally Posted by The Dude So would you still want them after a couple more losing seasons? I hope they stay along until I see improvement and we are winning. Anything less than that at this point and I'm ready to move on. You are in a tiny minority.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton? Originally Posted by The Dude So would you still want them after a couple more losing seasons? I hope they stay along until I see improvement and we are winning. Anything less than that at this point and I'm ready to move on. Drew, yes. The guy is a winner. SP, if he can't turn it around, nope. Most of the fan base is slowly tiring of his act, but he can change that by winning again. Let's hope this year begins the turn around.,

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton? Originally Posted by spkb25 Drew, yes. The guy is a winner. SP, if he can't turn it around, nope. Most of the fan base is slowly tiring of his act, but he can change that by winning again. Let's hope this year begins the turn around., Only indirectly can the difficulties of the last three years be blamed on Payton. We all know his priority is the offense and the offense has remained one of the top two in the league virtually every year. He handed the defense over to Rob Ryan and it proved to be a disaster. Yes, that can be blamed on him. He can also be blamed for hanging on to Vitt and gang too long, but now they are gone and he replaced them with coaches with whom it appears we are all optimistic. He cannot be blamed for the injuries that decimated the defense last season. But, I guess he could be blamed for the special teams blunders that kept us from being 10-6 ... but, once again, he made a positive move in the coaching area there as well.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,546	Re: Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Only indirectly can the difficulties of the last three years be blamed on Payton. We all know his priority is the offense and the offense has remained one of the top two in the league virtually every year. He handed the defense over to Rob Ryan and it proved to be a disaster. Yes, that can be blamed on him. He can also be blamed for hanging on to Vitt and gang too long, but now they are gone and he replaced them with coaches with whom it appears we are all optimistic. He cannot be blamed for the injuries that decimated the defense last season. But, I guess he could be blamed for the special teams blunders that kept us from being 10-6 ... but, once again, he made a positive move in the coaching area there as well. Rob had the defense playing great in 2013 and then "apparently" SP wanted a defense more like Seattle's, got too involved in the defense, got rid of some key members and then pinned it on Rob Ryan and sacked him. I think SP is responsible for more of the D's failings than we know, 4 DC's in 5 years is not great.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,846	Re: Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton? Brees would have to have a serious injury or the worst season of his career for us to let him walk. I could see a 2 year 40 million contract next year. He would be around for 3 years total breaking every qb record out there. All except farve into record lol. The city and team need Brees. He is the face of both and will be for years to come.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton? Originally Posted by dizzle88 Rob had the defense playing great in 2013 and then "apparently" SP wanted a defense more like Seattle's, got too involved in the defense, got rid of some key members and then pinned it on Rob Ryan and sacked him. I think SP is responsible for more of the D's failings than we know, 4 DC's in 5 years is not great. The defense was playing great because Ryan had not fully implemented his scheme. They were playing the same "dummied down" version in 2013 that they played his first year in Dallas when they looked good. Then, just as he had in Dallas, he implemented the full read and react scheme the following year and the players were always a second behind the play. He implied the Dallas players weren't smart enough to handle the scheme. No, his scheme simply doesn't work and never has when fully implemented. Payton has finally decided to stick with a DC. THAT is a good thing. Although, Gregg Williams had to go. So did Ryan. It is time to stick with Allen.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

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