Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 754802)

AFC East

New York Jets coach Todd Bowles is the unanimous winner here. Bowles has lost all momentum since winning 10 games in his first season. Bowles was 5-11 last year and has zero playoff appearances.

Who's on the hot seat in all eight NFL divisions -- Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith, New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 754922)

Benson loves the coach.......he won a Super bowl after Katrina. God love him! :bng:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 754944)

This thread needs more hotness...

http://i.imgur.com/zaSXGze.jpg

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 754810)

Payton is on the coolest seat in the NFC South, if not the coolest in the entire NFC. As long as the Benson's own the team the only way he leaves is going to be his decision regardless of record.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 754992)

Another losing season either he or Brees will be gone. My guess is Payton stays and Brees walks. I don't see him putting up with another losing season. Bree's (sic) and Payton have publically (sic) butted heads more than once over the past couple seasons.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 754992)

Another losing season either he or Brees will be gone. My guess is Payton stays and Brees walks. I don't see him putting up with another losing season. Bree's and Payton have publically butted heads more than once over the past couple seasons.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 754999)

I am not sure about SP and Brees, but 7-9 over and over and over again will command a change. I am hopeful this year it begins to get turned around. There are a ton of apologist and excuse makers on here. There are no excuses left for another failed season. I think we have a enough talent to compete this year. If we don't then in my opinion sean needs to go and I think it will get very close if not happen

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 754996)

Publicly (try spelling that and our QB's name right) butted heads? Post right now exactly where Brees and Payton have publicly butted heads multiple times over the past couple of seasons.

You are as wrong about that as you are about your other flimsy premise.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 754996)

Publicly (try spelling that and our QB's name right) butted heads? Post right now exactly where Brees and Payton have publicly butted heads multiple times over the past couple of seasons.

You are as wrong about that as you are about your other flimsy premise.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 754999)

I am not sure about SP and Brees, but 7-9 over and over and over again will command a change.

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 755093)

That may the usual case, but I don't think it works with the current brain trust. The kind of change you seek only comes from fans voting with their feet and dollars. The Saints reportedly have a season ticket waiting list near 77,000 fans. That's a whole lot of people abadoning ship in order to get Mr. Benson's attention.


BTW there are always excuses. There are excuses for 31 teams each and every year. A successful year often has elements of just dumb luck both good and bad. No one expected with 2016 Saints to be playing street free agents at cornerback. It happened though. Two blocked kicks to lose games? Unpredictable.

But the bottom line is that each of Loomis, Payton, and Brees will leave on their own terms. If for no other reason, those three brought Mr. Benson and the city a championship.

The only question is if any of the three get frustrated enough to seek other opportunities. But I'd be shocked to see any of them forced out for any reason.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 755086)

It's spell check you jackass and I'm not gonna dig for it but Brees changed a play even though Payton specifically told him not to. They jawed at each other on the sidelines and both said something about it in the press conference .afterward. I remember at least two other times that happened.
Pair that with the tweet Brees made about being tired of saying "next year"
Add that up with his year to year contract and only an idiot can't see that writing on the wall.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 755095)

That's why I see Brees going over any of them. Paton and loomis have a golden ticket. They are paid well, not micromanaged by ownership, and Payton lives in a city where drugs and alcohol are accepted. Why would they leave. Brees on the other hand could find a team that is a QB away from the Super Bowl and leave for the chance of another Lombardi.

That insane garbage about him being invested here, owning properties and businesses here, and politics are asinine. He can manage his assets for a year or two from another state and move back to Nola after he's done.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 755097)

You are seeing writing on a wall that isn't there. That is being an idiot. And you didn't show me where Brees and Payton have "publicly butted heads" on multiple occasions. You didn't show me crap because it isn't there. If it was public you should be able to show me links to published accounts of public head butting. Once again, you are totally full of $hit. Trying to invent some imaginary rift between the coach and the QB to satisfy some underlying motive. Grow up. You just claimed three explicit incidences of public butting of heads. Jawing at each other. You are a big boy. Try google if you think they actually exist. If you can't come up with them then you have proved you are full of it.

And Brees NEVER made any tweet about being tired of saying "next year".

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 755099)

I can vouch for this; I just read every one of Drew's tweets dating back to December and nothing was said about "tired" of saying next year...

Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 755020)

My seat kinda of HOT!!!

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 755101)

There was no need. I have addressed this exact same lie in this forum on two separate occasions, the last one being exactly one month ago by The Dude himself.

With this post ...

Being guaranteed that The Dude will be too lazy to click on the link I will post his lie right here and my proof that he simply has no idea about dealing with facts.

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The Dude on 6/16/2017 in reply to spkb25:



I do. He did tweet that he was getting tired of telling himself "wait till next year". Given the time it could have been simply frustration but it is very uncharacteristic of him to put something like that on social media.
I think it will depend on how the season goes. If we miss the playoffs with an 11-5 or so record and he sees positive development he stays.

If not I think he moves on.

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Here is what I posted in response:

Once again, try getting your facts straight. It would have been uncharacteristic of Brees to put something like that on social media because he never did. Brees was interviewed by Mike Nabors and Nabors posted the following tweet without any context.

https://twitter.com/MikeNabors/statu...35466431574016

Nabors later posted the following tweet explaining that the context of the quote had nothing to do with any possibility of leaving the Saints for another team. It had to do with his own career.

https://twitter.com/MikeNabors/statu...48881799593985

To further place this all in context, the interview was immediately following the final game of the season against the Falcons. Brees subsequently expressed and stressed his desire to play with the Saints well into his forties.

Do you ever research anything before you post it as fact?

:roll:
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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. In this case the horse could be described as more of a jackass.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 755118)

I didn't have to research it. You just posted it right there. He was quoted saying tired of saying next year. Everything else you posted is just the reporters interpretation. Yea Brees may of said he was talking about football in general, but you seem to think everything these players and coaches say as truthful. When he said this he still had another year ahead of him. What do you expect him to say? Of course he is going to be diplomatic.

Bottom line is you said Brees didn't say it, and right there in black and white there it is.
I don't know what planet we are on but I can't wait for the season starts and we inevitably lose a game. You will disappear until we win again. Just like always.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 755122)

Drew Brees is tired of losing. He will only play on a one year deal because he wants to keep his options open if the team doesn't become a winner again. He is allowing himself the opportunity to move on if he doesn't like the out come again this year.

Drew doesn't ever criticize anyone publicly. But he is a savvy business man and takes care of his business behind closed doors while keeping a squeaky clean image. It is obvious to me that he's letting the organization know that he's tired of wasting his talents and we have to return to our winning ways.

Payton is one heck of a coach but he sucks at selecting defensive coaching and talent.....it's his Achilles heel.

Also, he's been tied to one of the best bean counters in the league who will make it happen rather than reigning in Payton's wild side. Ireland has been a God send but he's not the General Manager and final decision maker. Loomis doesn't necessarily know football or basketball but he knows accounting.

I've watched closely the relationship between Drew and Sean for about a decade. I've seen the mutual respect between the two evolve into a loving relationship that benefits both greatly. Drew and Sean are tied at the hip. However, like any relationship, it can go south with unrealistic out side pressures and bad decision making. Although winning fixes almost everything. Who Dat! :bng:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 755118)

I didn't have to research it. You just posted it right there. He was quoted saying tired of saying next year. Everything else you posted is just the reporters interpretation. Yea Brees may of said he was talking about football in general, but you seem to think everything these players and coaches say as truthful. When he said this he still had another year ahead of him. What do you expect him to say? Of course he is going to be diplomatic.

Bottom line is you said Brees didn't say it, and right there in black and white there it is.
I don't know what planet we are on but I can't wait for the season starts and we inevitably lose a game. You will disappear until we win again. Just like always.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 755122)

Drew Brees is tired of losing. He will only play on a one year deal because he wants to keep his options open if the team doesn't become a winner again. He is allowing himself the opportunity to move on if he doesn't like the out come again this year.

Drew doesn't ever criticize anyone publicly. But he is a savvy business man and takes care of his business behind closed doors while keeping a squeaky clean image. It is obvious to me that he's letting the organization know that he's tired of wasting his talents and we have to return to our winning ways.

Payton is one heck of a coach but he sucks at selecting defensive coaching and talent.....it's his Achilles heel.

Also, he's been tied to one of the best bean counters in the league who will make it happen rather than reigning in Payton's wild side. Ireland has been a God send but he's not the General Manager and final decision maker. Loomis doesn't necessarily know football or basketball but he knows accounting.

I've watched closely the relationship between Drew and Sean for about a decade. I've seen the mutual respect between the two evolve into a loving relationship that benefits both greatly. Drew and Sean are tied at the hip. However, like any relationship, it can go south with unrealistic out side pressures and bad decision making. Although winning fixes almost everything. Who Dat! :bng:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 755146)

Yes Drew said and everyone knows exactly what message he was sending.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 755147)

Solid post

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 755143)

First of all, that is not the reason Brees is playing on year to year contracts. He and his agent are using the same philosophy that Peyton Manning (same agent, by the way) used over the last several years of his career. He said he doesn't want the team to be tied down to a long term deal whenever he does decide to call it quits for good.

And on that other item, it's funny that you point out that relationship between Payton and Brees. The Dude says totally the opposite, he claims (with no support whatsover and thus proving he is making more crap up) that Brees and Payton are basically at each others throats, jawing at each other on the sidelines on at least THREE distinct occasions.

Now, Rugby, are you totally wrong about the relationship between Brees and Payton or is The Dude?

:confused:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 755183)

Edit: We need to remember that Payton Manning left the Colts for greener pastures.

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 755187)

I think Payton has to be on the hot seat if we don't atleast make the playoffs this year.

That would be 4 straight non playoff seasons, I really hope to god the staff changes that Payton has made pay off, but if they don't, Payton needs to held accountable.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 755196)

This has been pointed out on several occasions by several members here, the dynamics of Benson/Loomis/Payton cannot be compared to what might happen in your average NFL hierarchy. The only person that can fire Payton is Benson and the Bensons loves him like a son. The Benson got their Lombardi before he died. If Benson lives to be 100 and every year is 7-9 Payton will remain coach as long as HE chooses. Tom Benson has a legacy now in the NFL because of Sean Payton. Hell, the stadium at the Pro Football Hall of Fame is now called Tom Benson Field.

If this was any other franchise other than perhaps the Patriots I would agree with you. But, it isn't.

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 755199)

Well the way they have structured it doesn't seem to be paying off for us lately, let's hope that changes this season.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 755196)

This has been pointed out on several occasions by several members here, the dynamics of Benson/Loomis/Payton cannot be compared to what might happen in your average NFL hierarchy. The only person that can fire Payton is Benson and the Bensons love him like a son. The Bensons got their Lombardi before he died. If Benson lives to be 100 and every year is 7-9 Payton will remain coach as long as HE chooses. Tom Benson has a legacy now in the NFL because of Sean Payton. Hell, the stadium at the Pro Football Hall of Fame is now called Tom Benson Field.

If this was any other franchise other than perhaps the Patriots I would agree with you. But, it isn't.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 755219)

That right there should tell you how screwed up the Saints organization is. We were all screaming for Payton to fire all his buddies on staff and put his personal feelings aside for what is best for the team. Thank god he did. Finally. No reason ownership shouldnt be held to the same standard.