What defensive scheme should the Saints employ to get on this list?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-26-2017, 02:00 PM

NFL1000: Ranking the Best Defensive Schemes | Bleacher Report discusses 10 effective modern defensive schemes.

What would be the Saints scheme that would put them on this list next offseason?

Note that the Saints do employ at least one of the schemes (The Big Nickel) on a regular basis.

I wasn't able to locate an overview or film study of Allen's scheme for the 2016 season. The best I could do was this piece from the 2016 offseason:

https://whodatwarriors.com/2016/05/2...ensive-scheme/

As training camp and preseason is upon us, I'm interested in what I should be evaluating in terms of a scheme that can improve the defensive results since 2013.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 07-26-2017, 02:18 PM

I was going to point you to that same article. I found it a while back when I was wondering the same thing. I really don't think Allen has a set defensive scheme. He basically does the same thing on defense that Payton does on offense. He schemes to his player's strengths. when he's got the right personnel out there he'll bring pressure from all over. That's a reason why I am so excited about the new speed we have at LB and the quality depth of the secondary.

Beastmode · 07-26-2017, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I was going to point you to that same article. I found it a while back when I was wondering the same thing. I really don't think Allen has a set defensive scheme. He basically does the same thing on defense that Payton does on offense. He schemes to his player's strengths. when he's got the right personnel out there he'll bring pressure from all over. That's a reason why I am so excited about the new speed we have at LB and the quality depth of the secondary.

spkb25 · 07-26-2017, 03:32 PM

We should apply this

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Cruize · 07-26-2017, 04:21 PM

Man up and attack. Like a bunch of crazed dogs.

spkb25 · 07-26-2017, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Man up and attack. Like a bunch of crazed dogs.

and prune the hedges

vpheughan · 07-26-2017, 07:22 PM

"Kill all the men!! Ravage all the women!" Guys? "Yes coach" Try to get it right this time!!!

hagan714 · 07-26-2017, 09:03 PM

We added to the defense and are getting so many players back it is hard to guess.

Guido is right and DA is stumped himself

if i was to guess one position above all others will determine what we favor

FS - Single High safety look might be the main look. like Seattle runs. Will a FS step up? My money is on The Marcus Williams impact. not sold on Vonn Bell still.

halloween 65 · 07-26-2017, 09:58 PM

We'll see? Really can't get much lower than we've been for years no matter what scheme we run.

jeanpierre · 07-26-2017, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I was going to point you to that same article. I found it a while back when I was wondering the same thing. I really don't think Allen has a set defensive scheme. He basically does the same thing on defense that Payton does on offense. He schemes to his player's strengths. when he's got the right personnel out there he'll bring pressure from all over. That's a reason why I am so excited about the new speed we have at LB and the quality depth of the secondary.

BINGO! Actually there's a related article on PFF about pass coverage... PFF: Taking a closer look: Examining the NFL's coverage scheme tendencies

Saints employ different coverage schemes (e.g. Cover-0, Cover-2, Man-to-Man) vs other teams...

Sean Payton is all about disguise and deception; I'd expect that philosophy to spill over to the defensive side of the ball...

Only issue I see with that is that defensive players have to read/react faster to stay with offensive skill players to make plays, tackles...

So it takes not only fast, quick players, but really instinctive ones too; and as Hagan pointed out, we're getting guys back and adding talent...

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: What defensive scheme should the Saints employ to get on this list? I was going to point you to that same article. I found it a while back when I was wondering the same thing. I really don't think Allen has a set defensive scheme. He basically does the same thing on defense that Payton does on offense. He schemes to his player's strengths. when he's got the right personnel out there he'll bring pressure from all over. That's a reason why I am so excited about the new speed we have at LB and the quality depth of the secondary. hagan714 and jeanpierre like this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: What defensive scheme should the Saints employ to get on this list? We added to the defense and are getting so many players back it is hard to guess. Guido is right and DA is stumped himself if i was to guess one position above all others will determine what we favor FS - Single High safety look might be the main look. like Seattle runs. Will a FS step up? My money is on The Marcus Williams impact. not sold on Vonn Bell still.

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