2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-12-2017, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

True, but we have had Brees and a top 5 O for years. Titans being the lowest on your list with 8 years, my question would be how long does it take to build 1/2 of a team with that 1/2 being a D.

Question: Over the last three years, what percentage of Saints games have started and ended with the listed #1 and #2 DBs on the roster playing the entire game?

You can't build any part of an organization without your expected personnel. I already see the rumblings of that this year.

Under the right circumstances the turnaround can be virtually instantaneous. See the transformation from 2012 to 2013. But it works in both directions. See 2013 to 2014 as an example.

A defense is a blend of scheme, coaching, personnel talent, and health. A good mix of all 4 leads to success. Any single one significantly missing leads to disaster. I'm pretty confident about 2 of the 4: coaching and talent. I'm still trying to understand Allen's scheme and how it's supposed to impact the rhythm of the opposing offenses. And health. That's the joker.

SFIAH

spkb25 · 08-12-2017, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Question: Over the last three years, what percentage of Saints games have started and ended with the listed #1 and #2 DBs on the roster playing the entire game?

You can't build any part of an organization without your expected personnel. I already see the rumblings of that this year.

Under the right circumstances the turnaround can be virtually instantaneous. See the transformation from 2012 to 2013. But it works in both directions. See 2013 to 2014 as an example.

A defense is a blend of scheme, coaching, personnel talent, and health. A good mix of all 4 leads to success. Any single one significantly missing leads to disaster. I'm pretty confident about 2 of the 4: coaching and talent. I'm still trying to understand Allen's scheme and how it's supposed to impact the rhythm of the opposing offenses. And health. That's the joker.

SFIAH

We throttled the Pats at home in 09 with Mike McKENZIE walking in off the street because 3/4 of our backend were injured. I am sorry but the excuses are just that anymore, excuses and wishful thinking

halloween 65 · 08-13-2017, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

We throttled the Pats at home in 09 with Mike McKENZIE walking in off the street because 3/4 of our backend were injured. I am sorry but the excuses are just that anymore, excuses and wishful thinking

I could not agree more. Depth at the position has been pathetic every year. It's not the fans fault. The FO and Payton seem to make things seem fine when we actually know better. Allen was the secondary coach back and I still say if it wasn't for Sharper he wouldn't even be on the map. Now as a DC he seems unable to make the secondary a strong point of this D.

08-12-2017, 08:11 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,790	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Originally Posted by halloween 65 True, but we have had Brees and a top 5 O for years. Titans being the lowest on your list with 8 years, my question would be how long does it take to build 1/2 of a team with that 1/2 being a D. Question: Over the last three years, what percentage of Saints games have started and ended with the listed #1 and #2 DBs on the roster playing the entire game? You can't build any part of an organization without your expected personnel. I already see the rumblings of that this year. Under the right circumstances the turnaround can be virtually instantaneous. See the transformation from 2012 to 2013. But it works in both directions. See 2013 to 2014 as an example. A defense is a blend of scheme, coaching, personnel talent, and health. A good mix of all 4 leads to success. Any single one significantly missing leads to disaster. I'm pretty confident about 2 of the 4: coaching and talent. I'm still trying to understand Allen's scheme and how it's supposed to impact the rhythm of the opposing offenses. And health. That's the joker. SFIAH
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Originally Posted by spkb25 We throttled the Pats at home in 09 with Mike McKENZIE walking in off the street because 3/4 of our backend were injured. I am sorry but the excuses are just that anymore, excuses and wishful thinking I could not agree more. Depth at the position has been pathetic every year. It's not the fans fault. The FO and Payton seem to make things seem fine when we actually know better. Allen was the secondary coach back and I still say if it wasn't for Sharper he wouldn't even be on the map. Now as a DC he seems unable to make the secondary a strong point of this D.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,147	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Training Camp Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Question: Over the last three years, what percentage of Saints games have started and ended with the listed #1 and #2 DBs on the roster playing the entire game? You can't build any part of an organization without your expected personnel. I already see the rumblings of that this year. Under the right circumstances the turnaround can be virtually instantaneous. See the transformation from 2012 to 2013. But it works in both directions. See 2013 to 2014 as an example. A defense is a blend of scheme, coaching, personnel talent, and health. A good mix of all 4 leads to success. Any single one significantly missing leads to disaster. I'm pretty confident about 2 of the 4: coaching and talent. I'm still trying to understand Allen's scheme and how it's supposed to impact the rhythm of the opposing offenses. And health. That's the joker. SFIAH We throttled the Pats at home in 09 with Mike McKENZIE walking in off the street because 3/4 of our backend were injured. I am sorry but the excuses are just that anymore, excuses and wishful thinking