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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal Compared to today's offensive line, yes, Brooks had a better one. Compared to O-lines Drew had during a 3 or 4 year run, beginning in '08, when he had Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Jonathan Goodwin and ...

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Old 08-24-2017, 06:24 AM   #1
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Compared to today's offensive line, yes, Brooks had a better one. Compared to O-lines Drew had during a 3 or 4 year run, beginning in '08, when he had Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Jonathan Goodwin and Jon Stinchcomb; Drew's line was at least as good, if not better than what Brooks had. Not as strong at tackle, but good enough, and the interior line Drew had was ridiculously good.

But this isn't a comparison of Drew to Aaron Brooks. Clearly Drew is far better, and it isn't a discussion. But you mentioned Drew would have won back to back to back Super Bowls if he had Aaron's O-line and defense... Obviously in order for a team to have a chance without really good QB play, they must have a strong O-line and defense, and that's the point. Heck, we've seen just how good this team is WITH an elite QB, but no defense, haven't we? In order to stay at least competitive without your starter, you MUST have a good defense and a backup QB who is competent enough. But a lot of people would have you believe that without Drew there is no hope, period. People are so used to having Drew that they forgot that not every winning team has had an elite QB.

Though I am not comparing Drew to Aaron, as I said before, I would still like to point this out: If Drew would have won three Super Bowls in a row (as you said) with what Brooks had, then why didn't we win it in 2010, when we had a top ten defense and still had that strong offensive line? That team was better than any of Aaron's teams. It wasn't as good as the '09 or '11 teams, for sure, due to some injuries, but it still stacked up better than what Brooks had. I don't miss Aaron as our starter, but let's cool the hyperbole just a bit.
Wasn't '10 our year without a running back?
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Wasn't '10 our year without a running back?
We went through a lot of running backs that year, yeah. But we still had that offensive line and were able to run well enough, most of the time. In keeping with the theme of the 2000 season, we lost Ricky Williams for the last 6 games of the regular season that year, and STILL made it with a backup QB. We also won that first playoff game without him.

No excuses for the 2010 team to go in and lose to a 7-9 team in the first round.
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Wasn't '10 our year without a running back?
OMG YES...EVERYONE WAS HURT. That was how we lost to Seattle who went into the playoffs with 7 wins
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OMG YES...EVERYONE WAS HURT. That was how we lost to Seattle who went into the playoffs with 7 wins
Not really. The score was 36-41. Saints lost because they couldn't stop the Hawks.
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Not really. The score was 36-41. Saints lost because they couldn't stop the Hawks.
We lost because we were one dimensional and couldn't run the ball. We out gained the Seahawks in total yards and had more first downs. We couldn't run the ball at all. We led early in that game, and I remember Julius jones inside the 10 maybe inside the 5 yard line fumbling the ball.

Lynch did put a beating on us that day but we still out gained them in total yards, first downs, time of possession.. Bush got hurt early in that game and the only running back we had left was Julius Jones. Pretty sure we drafted Ingram and signed Sproles after that season because of it

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We lost because we were one dimensional and couldn't run the ball. We out gained the Seahawks in total yards and had more first downs. We couldn't run the ball at all. We led early in that game, and I remember Julius jones inside the 10 maybe inside the 5 yard line fumbling the ball.

Lynch did put a beating on us that day but we still out gained them in total yards, first downs, time of possession.. Bush got hurt early in that game and the only running back we had left was Julius Jones. Pretty sure we drafted Ingram and signed Sproles after that season because of it
Exactly! That season was more frustrating to me than the past 7-9ers. We couldn't find a RB who would last a game much less the season. By the end I think we were putting in former players from old age homes around the country and when we ran out of those, they were putting in busts of players someone was hijacking from the hall of fame.
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Exactly! That season was more frustrating to me than the past 7-9ers. We couldn't find a RB who would last a game much less the season. By the end I think we were putting in former players from old age homes around the country and when we ran out of those, they were putting in busts of players someone was hijacking from the hall of fame.
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We lost because we were one dimensional and couldn't run the ball.
I don't know about that. One dimensional or not, the Saints scored 36 points, and lost by 5.
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I don't know about that. One dimensional or not, the Saints scored 36 points, and lost by 5.
If we'd have had a running attack, we wouldn't have even needed to be playing in that game...
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I don't know about that. One dimensional or not, the Saints scored 36 points, and lost by 5.
It is a fair point, but after being up early 17-7 we started getting our butts kicked and scored a few td's late if I remember correctly. But your point is true that 36 should be enough to win. I just know that there is situational football and sometimes that is extremely important.

That said the d let you too many points and explosive plays. True
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