Chase Daniel...

The Dude · 08-23-2017, 11:17 PM

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Tobias-Reiper · 08-23-2017, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Brooks did it and he was surrounded with much much less talent.

I would argue, compared to today's Saints o-line, Brooks had a superb o-line back then, arguably the best o-line in Saints history: Roaf, Neole, Fontent, Williams, Turley. All of them 16 game starting veterans. The Saints were ranked #8 in rushing in 2000.

I would also argue, the Saints had a proven defense back then, ranked #8 in 2000.

So Brooks had a lot to support around him.

You give Brees that team today, the Saints win 3 SB's back to back to back.

Beastmode · 08-23-2017, 11:58 PM

Should have never given Brooks the keys. Blake was what got us there. I'm still upset about that but meh...he did get red hot from time to time but not nearly enough to be a starter. We can win with Chase but the game plan has to change. Deeper passes and give him some runs.

spkb25 · 08-24-2017, 12:55 AM

AT the end of the day we are screwed because Chase is our backup. Never been a fan of his. There is a kid in Atlanta who looks pretty good, Simms. But we need a better backup than we have on the roster

burningmetal · 08-24-2017, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

I would argue, compared to today's Saints o-line, Brooks had a superb o-line back then, arguably the best o-line in Saints history: Roaf, Neole, Fontent, Williams, Turley. All of them 16 game starting veterans. The Saints were ranked #8 in rushing in 2000.

I would also argue, the Saints had a proven defense back then, ranked #8 in 2000.

So Brooks had a lot to support around him.

You give Brees that team today, the Saints win 3 SB's back to back to back.

Compared to today's offensive line, yes, Brooks had a better one. Compared to O-lines Drew had during a 3 or 4 year run, beginning in '08, when he had Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Jonathan Goodwin and Jon Stinchcomb; Drew's line was at least as good, if not better than what Brooks had. Not as strong at tackle, but good enough, and the interior line Drew had was ridiculously good.

But this isn't a comparison of Drew to Aaron Brooks. Clearly Drew is far better, and it isn't a discussion. But you mentioned Drew would have won back to back to back Super Bowls if he had Aaron's O-line and defense... Obviously in order for a team to have a chance without really good QB play, they must have a strong O-line and defense, and that's the point. Heck, we've seen just how good this team is WITH an elite QB, but no defense, haven't we? In order to stay at least competitive without your starter, you MUST have a good defense and a backup QB who is competent enough. But a lot of people would have you believe that without Drew there is no hope, period. People are so used to having Drew that they forgot that not every winning team has had an elite QB.

Though I am not comparing Drew to Aaron, as I said before, I would still like to point this out: If Drew would have won three Super Bowls in a row (as you said) with what Brooks had, then why didn't we win it in 2010, when we had a top ten defense and still had that strong offensive line? That team was better than any of Aaron's teams. It wasn't as good as the '09 or '11 teams, for sure, due to some injuries, but it still stacked up better than what Brooks had. I don't miss Aaron as our starter, but let's cool the hyperbole just a bit.

Seer1 · 08-24-2017, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Compared to today's offensive line, yes, Brooks had a better one. Compared to O-lines Drew had during a 3 or 4 year run, beginning in '08, when he had Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Jonathan Goodwin and Jon Stinchcomb; Drew's line was at least as good, if not better than what Brooks had. Not as strong at tackle, but good enough, and the interior line Drew had was ridiculously good.

But this isn't a comparison of Drew to Aaron Brooks. Clearly Drew is far better, and it isn't a discussion. But you mentioned Drew would have won back to back to back Super Bowls if he had Aaron's O-line and defense... Obviously in order for a team to have a chance without really good QB play, they must have a strong O-line and defense, and that's the point. Heck, we've seen just how good this team is WITH an elite QB, but no defense, haven't we? In order to stay at least competitive without your starter, you MUST have a good defense and a backup QB who is competent enough. But a lot of people would have you believe that without Drew there is no hope, period. People are so used to having Drew that they forgot that not every winning team has had an elite QB.

Though I am not comparing Drew to Aaron, as I said before, I would still like to point this out: If Drew would have won three Super Bowls in a row (as you said) with what Brooks had, then why didn't we win it in 2010, when we had a top ten defense and still had that strong offensive line? That team was better than any of Aaron's teams. It wasn't as good as the '09 or '11 teams, for sure, due to some injuries, but it still stacked up better than what Brooks had. I don't miss Aaron as our starter, but let's cool the hyperbole just a bit.

Wasn't '10 our year without a running back?

burningmetal · 08-24-2017, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Wasn't '10 our year without a running back?

We went through a lot of running backs that year, yeah. But we still had that offensive line and were able to run well enough, most of the time. In keeping with the theme of the 2000 season, we lost Ricky Williams for the last 6 games of the regular season that year, and STILL made it with a backup QB. We also won that first playoff game without him.

No excuses for the 2010 team to go in and lose to a 7-9 team in the first round.

Tobias-Reiper · 08-24-2017, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Compared to today's offensive line, yes, Brooks had a better one. Compared to O-lines Drew had during a 3 or 4 year run, beginning in '08, when he had Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Jonathan Goodwin and Jon Stinchcomb; Drew's line was at least as good, if not better than what Brooks had. Not as strong at tackle, but good enough, and the interior line Drew had was ridiculously good.

"Not as strong at tackle"? Not even close. And Fontenot was a better center than Goodwin. Drew had better guards, but that is not a wash. That o-line was the best o-line in Saints history. If you want to debate o-lines, that's another thread.

But this isn't a comparison of Drew to Aaron Brooks.

Ok? Who's comparing them?

But you mentioned Drew would have won back to back to back Super Bowls if he had Aaron's O-line and defense... Obviously in order for a team to have a chance without really good QB play, they must have a strong O-line and defense, and that's the point. Heck, we've seen just how good this team is WITH an elite QB, but no defense, haven't we? In order to stay at least competitive without your starter, you MUST have a good defense and a backup QB who is competent enough. But a lot of people would have you believe that without Drew there is no hope, period. People are so used to having Drew that they forgot that not every winning team has had an elite QB.

At this point, I have no idea what your actual point is, but if all of that was meant as a counterpoint to my statement that Drew would've won more SB's had he had that team, are you going to debate that a Drew Brees with an 8th ranked defense would not have taken the Saints to multiple SB's?

I know hope is the last thing to die, but if Drew goes down, people are going to quickly find out how not-so-good many players are in offense.

Euphoria · 08-24-2017, 02:13 PM

OMG I thought we outlawed the A-word.

There was a time every thread on this site woud be hijacked by Aaron Brooks. lol.

Supertek · 08-24-2017, 04:42 PM

Really have an issue here. Boy I wish I could be a back up making that kind of money but realistically other than McCown we never have had a good back up QB and one day it is going to bite us in the ass. I say pick up one that is cut for sure. Others may exit stage right.

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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Chase Daniel... Originally Posted by Beastmode Brooks did it and he was surrounded with much much less talent. I would argue, compared to today's Saints o-line, Brooks had a superb o-line back then, arguably the best o-line in Saints history: Roaf, Neole, Fontent, Williams, Turley. All of them 16 game starting veterans. The Saints were ranked #8 in rushing in 2000. I would also argue, the Saints had a proven defense back then, ranked #8 in 2000. So Brooks had a lot to support around him. You give Brees that team today, the Saints win 3 SB's back to back to back. CharityMike likes this.

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08-24-2017, 12:55 AM	#34
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Chase Daniel... AT the end of the day we are screwed because Chase is our backup. Never been a fan of his. There is a kid in Atlanta who looks pretty good, Simms. But we need a better backup than we have on the roster SaintGnome likes this.

08-24-2017, 01:21 AM	#35
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Chase Daniel... Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper I would argue, compared to today's Saints o-line, Brooks had a superb o-line back then, arguably the best o-line in Saints history: Roaf, Neole, Fontent, Williams, Turley. All of them 16 game starting veterans. The Saints were ranked #8 in rushing in 2000. I would also argue, the Saints had a proven defense back then, ranked #8 in 2000. So Brooks had a lot to support around him. You give Brees that team today, the Saints win 3 SB's back to back to back. Compared to today's offensive line, yes, Brooks had a better one. Compared to O-lines Drew had during a 3 or 4 year run, beginning in '08, when he had Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Jonathan Goodwin and Jon Stinchcomb; Drew's line was at least as good, if not better than what Brooks had. Not as strong at tackle, but good enough, and the interior line Drew had was ridiculously good. But this isn't a comparison of Drew to Aaron Brooks. Clearly Drew is far better, and it isn't a discussion. But you mentioned Drew would have won back to back to back Super Bowls if he had Aaron's O-line and defense... Obviously in order for a team to have a chance without really good QB play, they must have a strong O-line and defense, and that's the point. Heck, we've seen just how good this team is WITH an elite QB, but no defense, haven't we? In order to stay at least competitive without your starter, you MUST have a good defense and a backup QB who is competent enough. But a lot of people would have you believe that without Drew there is no hope, period. People are so used to having Drew that they forgot that not every winning team has had an elite QB. Though I am not comparing Drew to Aaron, as I said before, I would still like to point this out: If Drew would have won three Super Bowls in a row (as you said) with what Brooks had, then why didn't we win it in 2010, when we had a top ten defense and still had that strong offensive line? That team was better than any of Aaron's teams. It wasn't as good as the '09 or '11 teams, for sure, due to some injuries, but it still stacked up better than what Brooks had. I don't miss Aaron as our starter, but let's cool the hyperbole just a bit.
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08-24-2017, 07:24 AM	#36
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Chase Daniel... Originally Posted by burningmetal Compared to today's offensive line, yes, Brooks had a better one. Compared to O-lines Drew had during a 3 or 4 year run, beginning in '08, when he had Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Jonathan Goodwin and Jon Stinchcomb; Drew's line was at least as good, if not better than what Brooks had. Not as strong at tackle, but good enough, and the interior line Drew had was ridiculously good. But this isn't a comparison of Drew to Aaron Brooks. Clearly Drew is far better, and it isn't a discussion. But you mentioned Drew would have won back to back to back Super Bowls if he had Aaron's O-line and defense... Obviously in order for a team to have a chance without really good QB play, they must have a strong O-line and defense, and that's the point. Heck, we've seen just how good this team is WITH an elite QB, but no defense, haven't we? In order to stay at least competitive without your starter, you MUST have a good defense and a backup QB who is competent enough. But a lot of people would have you believe that without Drew there is no hope, period. People are so used to having Drew that they forgot that not every winning team has had an elite QB. Though I am not comparing Drew to Aaron, as I said before, I would still like to point this out: If Drew would have won three Super Bowls in a row (as you said) with what Brooks had, then why didn't we win it in 2010, when we had a top ten defense and still had that strong offensive line? That team was better than any of Aaron's teams. It wasn't as good as the '09 or '11 teams, for sure, due to some injuries, but it still stacked up better than what Brooks had. I don't miss Aaron as our starter, but let's cool the hyperbole just a bit. Wasn't '10 our year without a running back?

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Chase Daniel... Originally Posted by Seer1 Wasn't '10 our year without a running back? We went through a lot of running backs that year, yeah. But we still had that offensive line and were able to run well enough, most of the time. In keeping with the theme of the 2000 season, we lost Ricky Williams for the last 6 games of the regular season that year, and STILL made it with a backup QB. We also won that first playoff game without him. No excuses for the 2010 team to go in and lose to a 7-9 team in the first round. Barry from MS likes this.

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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Chase Daniel... Originally Posted by burningmetal Compared to today's offensive line, yes, Brooks had a better one. Compared to O-lines Drew had during a 3 or 4 year run, beginning in '08, when he had Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Jonathan Goodwin and Jon Stinchcomb; Drew's line was at least as good, if not better than what Brooks had. Not as strong at tackle, but good enough, and the interior line Drew had was ridiculously good. "Not as strong at tackle"? Not even close. And Fontenot was a better center than Goodwin. Drew had better guards, but that is not a wash. That o-line was the best o-line in Saints history. If you want to debate o-lines, that's another thread. But this isn't a comparison of Drew to Aaron Brooks. Ok? Who's comparing them? But you mentioned Drew would have won back to back to back Super Bowls if he had Aaron's O-line and defense... Obviously in order for a team to have a chance without really good QB play, they must have a strong O-line and defense, and that's the point. Heck, we've seen just how good this team is WITH an elite QB, but no defense, haven't we? In order to stay at least competitive without your starter, you MUST have a good defense and a backup QB who is competent enough. But a lot of people would have you believe that without Drew there is no hope, period. People are so used to having Drew that they forgot that not every winning team has had an elite QB. At this point, I have no idea what your actual point is, but if all of that was meant as a counterpoint to my statement that Drew would've won more SB's had he had that team, are you going to debate that a Drew Brees with an 8th ranked defense would not have taken the Saints to multiple SB's? I know hope is the last thing to die, but if Drew goes down, people are going to quickly find out how not-so-good many players are in offense.
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