Lewis, Lasco or Bighill?

The Dude · 08-28-2017, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So you think a player will be OK with not signing an NFL contract at about $450,000 per year just for a chance to stay on the Saints practice squad, in addition to agreeing to do something underhanded?

I don't think anyone in their right mind would actually believe that or be OK with it.

Papa Voodoo · 08-28-2017, 05:15 PM

I think we keep TL Lewis and Bighill. You can't let guys like that of your team. At this point I'd rather Bighill than Kikaha.

K Major · 08-28-2017, 05:20 PM

Bighill stats vs Texans ...

5 unassisted tackles
1 tackle for a loss
Sack
QB hit

nola_swammi · 08-28-2017, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

How exactly do the PS rules suck? Players have to be cut to make the PS. Since they are cut, they are no longer the organization's players. They are free agents.

The final 5-7 cuts for every team are difficult. And most of those players either end up on a PS, or possibly are signed to another organization. But they are no longer Saints players no matter where they end up as any organzation can sign any PS player off any team to their 53.

SFIAH

If they're on your PS you will have the choice and opportunity to make them active before another team scoop them up

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-28-2017, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

If they're on your PS you will have the choice and opportunity to make them active before another team scoop them up

Um, nope. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_squad:

Practice squad players are free agents; they can be signed to any team's 53-man roster at any time during the season. In other words, NFL teams are free to "poach" other teams' practice squads without compensating the teams, with one exception: a team cannot sign another team's practice squad players if they are playing against each other in the immediate future, a restriction that prevents using the tactic solely to steal game plans.

There's no right of first refusal. Other than the "immediate future" restriction, the only requirement is that a PS player is signed to a 53 man squad. Practice squad players are street free agents that get the opportunity to be paid and to practice with an actual NFL organization. Nothing more.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2017, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

I think we keep TL Lewis and Bighill. You can't let guys like that of your team. At this point I'd rather Bighill than Kikaha.

Kikaha has looked great so far.

WillMacKenzie · 08-28-2017, 07:06 PM

I think the point is that generally, once players are on a team's PS, they stand a better chance being activated with that team than another team signing them DIRECTLY to their 53 man roster during the season with zero familiarity with that team or their playbook. (the player technically could walk away from our PS with the risk of NOT being signed to another team's PS, when they'd be making good money in the meantime)

Secondly, in regards to pay, there's no rule that you have to pay a PS player less. A team can pay them whatever they want or whatever they think they're worth if they want to incentivize them to stick around.

Either way, of the 3, I'd probably have to keep Lewis, just due to his ability to score. But that's not an easy choice, I'd say they all make it!

Danno · 08-28-2017, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Um, nope. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_squad:

There's no right of first refusal. Other than the "immediate future" restriction, the only requirement is that a PS player is signed to a 53 man squad. Practice squad players are street free agents that get the opportunity to be paid and to practice with an actual NFL organization. Nothing more.

SFIAH

And they can choose to sign with any team they want. Just because a team offers then a PS spot, they don't have to take it. They can decide to sign with the Saints even though another team may offer more, IIRC.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-28-2017, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

And they can choose to sign with any team they want. Just because a team offers then a PS spot, they don't have to take it. They can decide to sign with the Saints even though another team may offer more, IIRC.

Of course. But OTOH it's equally unlikely that a PS player on any squad will pass up the opportunity to sign on a 53 man roster and have the possibility of playing in real games for real money as opposed to remaining on a PS.

I was just trying to clarify that PS players are free agents, and have all the options that free agents have. As such even if they clear waivers and are placed on a PS, then any team can still sign them to a 53 man roster.

SFIAH

nola_swammi · 08-29-2017, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Um, nope. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_squad:

There's no right of first refusal. Other than the "immediate future" restriction, the only requirement is that a PS player is signed to a 53 man squad. Practice squad players are street free agents that get the opportunity to be paid and to practice with an actual NFL organization. Nothing more.

SFIAH

if you have them on your practice squad you can make them active on your roster so another team can't scoop them up. The downfall and risk is that you must drop someone off your active roster to make room. Which means the player you waive or cut to make room will be able to sign with any other team if they make it through the waiver wire and if they don't be picked up you're still liable for the contract against your cap.

In order to make the PS the player will be waived and if no team pick them up then the saints can sign to PS. Players I can't see making it through waivers are Victor & Muhammad

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08-28-2017, 05:15 PM	#42
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Lewis, Lasco or Bighill? I think we keep TL Lewis and Bighill. You can't let guys like that of your team. At this point I'd rather Bighill than Kikaha.

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08-28-2017, 06:17 PM	#44
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Lewis, Lasco or Bighill? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL How exactly do the PS rules suck? Players have to be cut to make the PS. Since they are cut, they are no longer the organization's players. They are free agents. The final 5-7 cuts for every team are difficult. And most of those players either end up on a PS, or possibly are signed to another organization. But they are no longer Saints players no matter where they end up as any organzation can sign any PS player off any team to their 53. SFIAH If they're on your PS you will have the choice and opportunity to make them active before another team scoop them up

08-28-2017, 06:28 PM	#45
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Lewis, Lasco or Bighill? Originally Posted by nola_swammi If they're on your PS you will have the choice and opportunity to make them active before another team scoop them up Um, nope. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_squad: Practice squad players are free agents; they can be signed to any team's 53-man roster at any time during the season. In other words, NFL teams are free to "poach" other teams' practice squads without compensating the teams, with one exception: a team cannot sign another team's practice squad players if they are playing against each other in the immediate future, a restriction that prevents using the tactic solely to steal game plans. There's no right of first refusal. Other than the "immediate future" restriction, the only requirement is that a PS player is signed to a 53 man squad. Practice squad players are street free agents that get the opportunity to be paid and to practice with an actual NFL organization. Nothing more. SFIAH Danno likes this.

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08-28-2017, 06:38 PM	#46
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Lewis, Lasco or Bighill? Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo I think we keep TL Lewis and Bighill. You can't let guys like that of your team. At this point I'd rather Bighill than Kikaha. Kikaha has looked great so far.

08-28-2017, 07:06 PM	#47
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Lewis, Lasco or Bighill? I think the point is that generally, once players are on a team's PS, they stand a better chance being activated with that team than another team signing them DIRECTLY to their 53 man roster during the season with zero familiarity with that team or their playbook. (the player technically could walk away from our PS with the risk of NOT being signed to another team's PS, when they'd be making good money in the meantime) Secondly, in regards to pay, there's no rule that you have to pay a PS player less. A team can pay them whatever they want or whatever they think they're worth if they want to incentivize them to stick around. Either way, of the 3, I'd probably have to keep Lewis, just due to his ability to score. But that's not an easy choice, I'd say they all make it!

08-28-2017, 07:08 PM	#48
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Lewis, Lasco or Bighill? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Um, nope. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_squad: There's no right of first refusal. Other than the "immediate future" restriction, the only requirement is that a PS player is signed to a 53 man squad. Practice squad players are street free agents that get the opportunity to be paid and to practice with an actual NFL organization. Nothing more. SFIAH And they can choose to sign with any team they want. Just because a team offers then a PS spot, they don't have to take it. They can decide to sign with the Saints even though another team may offer more, IIRC.

08-28-2017, 07:16 PM	#49
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Lewis, Lasco or Bighill? Originally Posted by Danno And they can choose to sign with any team they want. Just because a team offers then a PS spot, they don't have to take it. They can decide to sign with the Saints even though another team may offer more, IIRC. Of course. But OTOH it's equally unlikely that a PS player on any squad will pass up the opportunity to sign on a 53 man roster and have the possibility of playing in real games for real money as opposed to remaining on a PS. I was just trying to clarify that PS players are free agents, and have all the options that free agents have. As such even if they clear waivers and are placed on a PS, then any team can still sign them to a 53 man roster. SFIAH

08-29-2017, 01:08 AM	#50
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Lewis, Lasco or Bighill? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Um, nope. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_squad: There's no right of first refusal. Other than the "immediate future" restriction, the only requirement is that a PS player is signed to a 53 man squad. Practice squad players are street free agents that get the opportunity to be paid and to practice with an actual NFL organization. Nothing more. SFIAH if you have them on your practice squad you can make them active on your roster so another team can't scoop them up. The downfall and risk is that you must drop someone off your active roster to make room. Which means the player you waive or cut to make room will be able to sign with any other team if they make it through the waiver wire and if they don't be picked up you're still liable for the contract against your cap. In order to make the PS the player will be waived and if no team pick them up then the saints can sign to PS. Players I can't see making it through waivers are Victor & Muhammad

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