How would you rate this offseason so far?

saintswhodi · 04-05-2005, 12:40 PM

I guess my hang up is the use of the word \"key.\" Maybe we just have different definitions of a player that is considered \"key.\" I definitely don\'t think we re-signed anyone that is worth grading out as an A, especially since better options were available.

LordOfEntropy · 04-05-2005, 12:44 PM

I definitely don\'t think we re-signed anyone that is worth grading out as an A...

I do. Greene. Gleason. Craft. Bryant.

Don\'t get me wrong. I don\'t think these guys are best in class. However, I think they\'re good situational players, that add value at a very cheap price tag. These players hit the free agent market, but we managed to get all of them resigned. I thought for sure we\'d lose at least some of them.

So I give the front office an A for that.

Danno · 04-05-2005, 12:48 PM

I guess my hang up is the use of the word \"key.\" Maybe we just have different definitions of a player that is considered \"key.\" I definitely don\'t think we re-signed anyone that is worth grading out as an A, especially since better options were available.

I didn\'t mean the guys we re-signed were A players. Good grief, far from it, but the key guys we did re-sign Bryant, Craft, Gleason, Mitchell, Bellamy, McAfee, Hall were all important for various reasons. Some we retained for the bare minimum.

saintswhodi · 04-05-2005, 12:52 PM

LOE, they hit the free agent market, but did anyone go after them. Did they get any offers, schedule any visits? Anything? Not from what I saw. Noone we resigned to me was like I said \"key.\" We did resign some guys though. Hodge, great call there. Craft, well, we need another CB. Woulda preferred Dyson. Bellamy? Eh, would have preferred they just moved T-Buck to SS, save the cap hit and Bellamy\'s salary. Or they could have gone after Arturo Freeman. Bryant? Eh, prob not much interest around the league for a rotational guy. I wonder how we pulled off that coup. I mean realistically, would losing any of those guys have made one bit of difference for our team? Not to me. I likened their resignings previously to filling out a roster on Madden. You know, how you have to have a certain amount of guys at each position? That definitely doesn\'t warrant an A.

[Edited on 5/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

saintswhodi · 04-05-2005, 12:54 PM

I didn\'t mean the guys we re-signed were A players. Good grief, far from it, but the key guys we did re-sign Bryant, Craft, Gleason, Mitchell, Bellamy, McAfee, Hall were all important for various reasons. Some we retained for the bare minimum.

I can buy that. But they are mainly just bodies. We could draft someone to do what Gleason does, as well as any of those other guys. I was just wondering how that warranted an A, and the designation key. No biggie.

baronm · 04-05-2005, 12:58 PM

Eh, would have preferred they just moved T-Buck to SS, save the cap hit and Bellamy\'s salary.

I\'ve wondered about that too...unless it\'s because Bellamy is the feild general and a better locker room guy.

smith and t-bucky might have been a better combo.

LordOfEntropy · 04-05-2005, 01:07 PM

We could draft someone to do what Gleason does, as well as any of those other guys

I don\'t buy that. Anyone we draft will have no NFL experience, these guys have already been trained in our system, already have daily routines that get them to our practice facility in NO. That\'s an advantage, especially when talking minimum pay. Gleason alone, with his blocked punts and excellent special teams play, would be hard to replace for league minimum.

Could you be sure, on say a 5th round pick, of getting someone who could come in an play, and consistently make game changing plays?

I stand by my grade of A for those resignings, though I see the point you are making.

baronm · 04-05-2005, 01:10 PM

Could you be sure, on say a 5th round pick, of getting someone who could come in an play, and consistently make game changing plays?

can you count on our current roster to do the above?

LordOfEntropy · 04-05-2005, 01:15 PM

LOE, they hit the free agent market, but did anyone go after them. Did they get any offers, schedule any visits

I know that some of them were garnering league interest. Here\'s a quick link from the Times-Picayune.

http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...6985309720.xml

Gleason had an offer from Arizona. Miami wanted Bryant. Atlanta was after Craft.

[Edited on 5/4/2005 by LordOfEntropy]

LordOfEntropy · 04-05-2005, 01:16 PM

can you count on our current roster to do the above?

I was referencing Gleason and his special teams play. Blocked punts, etc.

04-05-2005, 12:40 PM	#11
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	How would you rate this offseason so far? I guess my hang up is the use of the word \"key.\" Maybe we just have different definitions of a player that is considered \"key.\" I definitely don\'t think we re-signed anyone that is worth grading out as an A, especially since better options were available.

04-05-2005, 12:44 PM	#12
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	How would you rate this offseason so far? I definitely don\'t think we re-signed anyone that is worth grading out as an A... I do. Greene. Gleason. Craft. Bryant. Don\'t get me wrong. I don\'t think these guys are best in class. However, I think they\'re good situational players, that add value at a very cheap price tag. These players hit the free agent market, but we managed to get all of them resigned. I thought for sure we\'d lose at least some of them. So I give the front office an A for that.

04-05-2005, 12:48 PM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	How would you rate this offseason so far? I guess my hang up is the use of the word \"key.\" Maybe we just have different definitions of a player that is considered \"key.\" I definitely don\'t think we re-signed anyone that is worth grading out as an A, especially since better options were available. I didn\'t mean the guys we re-signed were A players. Good grief, far from it, but the key guys we did re-sign Bryant, Craft, Gleason, Mitchell, Bellamy, McAfee, Hall were all important for various reasons. Some we retained for the bare minimum.

04-05-2005, 12:52 PM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	How would you rate this offseason so far? LOE, they hit the free agent market, but did anyone go after them. Did they get any offers, schedule any visits? Anything? Not from what I saw. Noone we resigned to me was like I said \"key.\" We did resign some guys though. Hodge, great call there. Craft, well, we need another CB. Woulda preferred Dyson. Bellamy? Eh, would have preferred they just moved T-Buck to SS, save the cap hit and Bellamy\'s salary. Or they could have gone after Arturo Freeman. Bryant? Eh, prob not much interest around the league for a rotational guy. I wonder how we pulled off that coup. I mean realistically, would losing any of those guys have made one bit of difference for our team? Not to me. I likened their resignings previously to filling out a roster on Madden. You know, how you have to have a certain amount of guys at each position? That definitely doesn\'t warrant an A. [Edited on 5/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

04-05-2005, 12:54 PM	#15
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	How would you rate this offseason so far? I didn\'t mean the guys we re-signed were A players. Good grief, far from it, but the key guys we did re-sign Bryant, Craft, Gleason, Mitchell, Bellamy, McAfee, Hall were all important for various reasons. Some we retained for the bare minimum. I can buy that. But they are mainly just bodies. We could draft someone to do what Gleason does, as well as any of those other guys. I was just wondering how that warranted an A, and the designation key. No biggie.

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baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	How would you rate this offseason so far? Eh, would have preferred they just moved T-Buck to SS, save the cap hit and Bellamy\'s salary. I\'ve wondered about that too...unless it\'s because Bellamy is the feild general and a better locker room guy. smith and t-bucky might have been a better combo.
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04-05-2005, 01:07 PM	#17
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	How would you rate this offseason so far? We could draft someone to do what Gleason does, as well as any of those other guys I don\'t buy that. Anyone we draft will have no NFL experience, these guys have already been trained in our system, already have daily routines that get them to our practice facility in NO. That\'s an advantage, especially when talking minimum pay. Gleason alone, with his blocked punts and excellent special teams play, would be hard to replace for league minimum. Could you be sure, on say a 5th round pick, of getting someone who could come in an play, and consistently make game changing plays? I stand by my grade of A for those resignings, though I see the point you are making.
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04-05-2005, 01:10 PM	#18
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	How would you rate this offseason so far? Could you be sure, on say a 5th round pick, of getting someone who could come in an play, and consistently make game changing plays? can you count on our current roster to do the above?
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04-05-2005, 01:15 PM	#19
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	How would you rate this offseason so far? LOE, they hit the free agent market, but did anyone go after them. Did they get any offers, schedule any visits I know that some of them were garnering league interest. Here\'s a quick link from the Times-Picayune. http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...6985309720.xml Gleason had an offer from Arizona. Miami wanted Bryant. Atlanta was after Craft. [Edited on 5/4/2005 by LordOfEntropy]

04-05-2005, 01:16 PM	#20
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	How would you rate this offseason so far? can you count on our current roster to do the above? I was referencing Gleason and his special teams play. Blocked punts, etc.