Payton need to go?

neugey · 09-11-2017, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

On the plus side, Lattimore and Anzalone looked great! Ramczyk looked good too for a rookie LT making his first start.

Agree. Klein and Fleener were also bright spots.

halloween 65 · 09-11-2017, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Agree. Klein and Fleener were also bright spots.

I was impressed with Fleener tonight. Klein had to be all over the place, really no choice or the Vikes would have really racked up the yards. Oketre had a good game also.

blackangold · 09-11-2017, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I was impressed with Fleener tonight. Klein had to be all over the place, really no choice or the Vikes would have really racked up the yards. Oketre had a good game also.

Disagree on Okafor, he lost edge control on every long run and provided little pressure. Cook had 3 big runs on the edge, all occurred off his edge.

spkb25 · 09-11-2017, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Brees had that deer in the headlights look from the first snap...

Payton preached all off-season about balance, running the ball more...

He even signed Petersahn with other holes in the roster, especially O-line...

Abandoned the run game by the second series, playing to the strengths of the Vikings Pass Defense?

This is not smart Payton football...

From what I saw tonight, Minnesota will be hosting the NFC Championship Game...

And we just gave away Home-Field Advantage...

But, here's the problem I had/have with Payton tonight...

Payton's nature is to be aggressive - that's where he makes bread...

And to not go for the touchdown in the red zone on fourth down, not once, not twice, but three times?

Going contrary to his nature, that is what's bothering me right now...

And save this BS title thread for Week 12...

First, we're not going to the NFC championship game.

Second, the thread is appropriate because we are on our way to 7-9 for a fourth straight year. Is it possible we turn it all around and fix it, sure. Is it likely, no.

So I am going to bring out this appropriately titled thread week 1 after 3 straight 7-9 seasons and what looked like 7-9 vs.4

CharityMike · 09-11-2017, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Defense started out well, but sometimes you just cannot stop players who are coached to catch in traffic. That's our problem, we are facing teams who want to score points as much as us. When teams play us they want to score quick because of Brees. And lately it's like the defense is supposed to do it first.

Most likely the offense will show up against the pats but they always will in those kinds of games and against the easier defenses. They just cannot beat hard nosed defenses.

Defense was so bad after the 2014 offseason it is gonna take a while to fix it and if it's gonna take a while and the saints can't see the issues on offense in these instances it's gonna take Brees a while.

Im sorry but..who in the hell are you?? Where is the real WillSaints81..because no way he would have ever made a post like this. Nice post and good point.

halloween 65 · 09-11-2017, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Im sorry but..who in the hell are you?? Where is the real WillSaints81..because no way he would have ever made a post like this. Nice post and good point.

He's actually been right about quite a few things even when he's treated like a red headed step child.

CharityMike · 09-11-2017, 11:25 PM

Well maybe I will pay more attention to his threads if this is the kind of stuff he is gonna bring to the table. Been avoiding his topics because they were usually things from way left field.

Rell&Gold · 09-11-2017, 11:40 PM

Watching the game now....and as Im watching it notification comes to my phone showing dalvin cook broke AP's rookie record...Lls isn't that ironic. The saints look like a continuation from last season so far if you ask me. And only because ITS THE VIKINGS their offensive power is not impressive to day the least. Im dissapointed in HOW we lost more so than the actual losing.

Rell&Gold · 09-11-2017, 11:41 PM

Its like watching the same over and over again...I need a break there are WAAYY better movies out here. Im speaking for me when I say this Saints games dont excite me anymore.

burningmetal · 09-11-2017, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Brees had that deer in the headlights look from the first snap...

Payton preached all off-season about balance, running the ball more...

He even signed Petersahn with other holes in the roster, especially O-line...

Abandoned the run game by the second series, playing to the strengths of the Vikings Pass Defense?

This is not smart Payton football...

From what I saw tonight, Minnesota will be hosting the NFC Championship Game...

And we just gave away Home-Field Advantage...

But, here's the problem I had/have with Payton tonight...

Payton's nature is to be aggressive - that's where he makes bread...

And to not go for the touchdown in the red zone on fourth down, not once, not twice, but three times?

Going contrary to his nature, that is what's bothering me right now...

And save this BS title thread for Week 12...

The running game was not working. The swing passes weren't working. The downfield throws were, however, and THAT is what we simply didn't do enough of, in my opinion.

If we would run actual screen passes (not the same thing as a swing pass, though Payton must not agree with me) where we can catch their defense off guard, like they did to us, maybe we'd take some pressure off of Drew. Those swing passes are always telegraphed, and rarely work as a result. The Vikings offense will rank in the lower half of the league again, because they don't have great personnel and they don't run anything magical. We gave an NFL QB all the time he needed and busted in coverage over and over again. That will make any offense with a pulse look like the Vikings did tonight.

09-11-2017, 10:56 PM	#31
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,716 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI On the plus side, Lattimore and Anzalone looked great! Ramczyk looked good too for a rookie LT making his first start. Agree. Klein and Fleener were also bright spots. jnormand likes this.

09-11-2017, 11:07 PM	#32
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by neugey Agree. Klein and Fleener were also bright spots. I was impressed with Fleener tonight. Klein had to be all over the place, really no choice or the Vikes would have really racked up the yards. Oketre had a good game also.

09-11-2017, 11:10 PM	#33
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by halloween 65 I was impressed with Fleener tonight. Klein had to be all over the place, really no choice or the Vikes would have really racked up the yards. Oketre had a good game also. Disagree on Okafor, he lost edge control on every long run and provided little pressure. Cook had 3 big runs on the edge, all occurred off his edge.

09-11-2017, 11:13 PM	#34
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Brees had that deer in the headlights look from the first snap... Payton preached all off-season about balance, running the ball more... He even signed Petersahn with other holes in the roster, especially O-line... Abandoned the run game by the second series, playing to the strengths of the Vikings Pass Defense? This is not smart Payton football... From what I saw tonight, Minnesota will be hosting the NFC Championship Game... And we just gave away Home-Field Advantage... But, here's the problem I had/have with Payton tonight... Payton's nature is to be aggressive - that's where he makes bread... And to not go for the touchdown in the red zone on fourth down, not once, not twice, but three times? Going contrary to his nature, that is what's bothering me right now... And save this BS title thread for Week 12... First, we're not going to the NFC championship game. Second, the thread is appropriate because we are on our way to 7-9 for a fourth straight year. Is it possible we turn it all around and fix it, sure. Is it likely, no. So I am going to bring out this appropriately titled thread week 1 after 3 straight 7-9 seasons and what looked like 7-9 vs.4

09-11-2017, 11:15 PM	#35
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Defense started out well, but sometimes you just cannot stop players who are coached to catch in traffic. That's our problem, we are facing teams who want to score points as much as us. When teams play us they want to score quick because of Brees. And lately it's like the defense is supposed to do it first. Most likely the offense will show up against the pats but they always will in those kinds of games and against the easier defenses. They just cannot beat hard nosed defenses. Defense was so bad after the 2014 offseason it is gonna take a while to fix it and if it's gonna take a while and the saints can't see the issues on offense in these instances it's gonna take Brees a while. Im sorry but..who in the hell are you?? Where is the real WillSaints81..because no way he would have ever made a post like this. Nice post and good point. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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09-11-2017, 11:23 PM	#36
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by CharityMike Im sorry but..who in the hell are you?? Where is the real WillSaints81..because no way he would have ever made a post like this. Nice post and good point. He's actually been right about quite a few things even when he's treated like a red headed step child.

09-11-2017, 11:25 PM	#37
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Payton need to go? Well maybe I will pay more attention to his threads if this is the kind of stuff he is gonna bring to the table. Been avoiding his topics because they were usually things from way left field. halloween 65 and K Major like this.

09-11-2017, 11:40 PM	#38
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Payton need to go? Watching the game now....and as Im watching it notification comes to my phone showing dalvin cook broke AP's rookie record...Lls isn't that ironic. The saints look like a continuation from last season so far if you ask me. And only because ITS THE VIKINGS their offensive power is not impressive to day the least. Im dissapointed in HOW we lost more so than the actual losing. Rsanders24 likes this.

09-11-2017, 11:41 PM	#39
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Payton need to go? Its like watching the same over and over again...I need a break there are WAAYY better movies out here. Im speaking for me when I say this Saints games dont excite me anymore.

09-11-2017, 11:42 PM	#40
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Brees had that deer in the headlights look from the first snap... Payton preached all off-season about balance, running the ball more... He even signed Petersahn with other holes in the roster, especially O-line... Abandoned the run game by the second series, playing to the strengths of the Vikings Pass Defense? This is not smart Payton football... From what I saw tonight, Minnesota will be hosting the NFC Championship Game... And we just gave away Home-Field Advantage... But, here's the problem I had/have with Payton tonight... Payton's nature is to be aggressive - that's where he makes bread... And to not go for the touchdown in the red zone on fourth down, not once, not twice, but three times? Going contrary to his nature, that is what's bothering me right now... And save this BS title thread for Week 12... The running game was not working. The swing passes weren't working. The downfield throws were, however, and THAT is what we simply didn't do enough of, in my opinion. If we would run actual screen passes (not the same thing as a swing pass, though Payton must not agree with me) where we can catch their defense off guard, like they did to us, maybe we'd take some pressure off of Drew. Those swing passes are always telegraphed, and rarely work as a result. The Vikings offense will rank in the lower half of the league again, because they don't have great personnel and they don't run anything magical. We gave an NFL QB all the time he needed and busted in coverage over and over again. That will make any offense with a pulse look like the Vikings did tonight.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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