What's most dissappointing after the loss to the Vikings?

09-12-2017, 11:59 AM

Somebody referenced the Jags earlier. They have the young & inexperienced D, too. They completely stomped a subpar Texans O (watched it), and someone coached them & told them not to use the crutch of inexperience. They were solid at D playcalling & personnel matchups where we blew chunks at them both. We have about the same experience & talent on D, but we let Bradford throw all over us with a patchwork O Line (seriously?) plus continually had Harris vs Diggs (seriously?).

I'll give them a very thin pass, but if we're seeing this 3 out of the next 4, heads should roll come playoff time cause we'll be sitting at the house.

The inexperience excuse is getting old, precisely why it is THE #1 worst excuse.

Utah_Saint · 09-12-2017, 01:01 PM

Defensive play calling. We were in zone long past the point when it was obviously not working. We needed to blitz more. The 4 man rush wasn't getting it done. Bradford was too comfortable in the pocket. Playing Harris over Moore was a mistake. Keeping Harris in the game was just stupid. Dennis Allen completely blew it.

CharityMike · 09-12-2017, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

He did look tentative/hesitant but essentially PJ is a rookie.

I'm more disappointed in Dennis Allen's game approach more than anything. Pre season we saw a lot of stunts, blitzing & guys moving like their head was on fire. Our secondary made Thielan (mostly 3rd down conversions) look like Odell on crossing routes. I mean he was WIDE open on several plays.

Explain to me why you have Harris vs Diggs on those boundaries?? I just think we were out coached on defense. No way Harris should be on the field this Sunday.

Time to re group (see sig/Roman Harper quote), film study and prepare to defeat NE in the dome on a short week.

I made the exact comment to fam about not seeing any stunts. We didn't do it once from what I saw. We had better play calling in the preseason ffs. Real game comes and its as vanilla as can be?? WTF. Once you see they keep smoking us at ease, it's time to change. Bring pressure..why is this so hard to do.

Obviously, they thought we could get through there O line with just the front four. But when it is not working, you have to adjust. Where was the adjustment?? DA did a pretty good job with that last year. This loss is just as much if not more on the coaching staff and there game plan.

jeanpierre · 09-12-2017, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I hate to beat a dead horse but we must find a way to create turnovers. Strips, punching the ball out, INT's & getting off the field on 3rd down.

And I agree with the play of Anzalone, Lattimore & Tommy. He created separation from the defender on that bomb but Brees slightly over threw him, otherwise 6. Malcolm Butler can be had in the dome.

Wasn't Tommylee held on that play, a flag thrown for PI?

Rugby Saint II · 09-12-2017, 01:33 PM

It seems like we sustained every Vikings drive with a penalty

SmashMouth · 09-12-2017, 01:43 PM

Yes, it really was Sam Bradford’s best game ever

K Major · 09-12-2017, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Wasn't Tommylee held on that play, a flag thrown for PI?

No, not on that particular play. His route was a stop and go, defender bit and TLL was off to the races. Perfect separation but Drew (he was under a lot of heat) over threw him because he had no time to set his feet.

Side note - the only thing TLL lacks is size. Dude is a gamer.

K Major · 09-12-2017, 02:10 PM

Last rant on the disappointment vs Vikes ...

Kenny Vaccarro. I'm in the minority on this board but this guy has been disappointing for me. At times, he plays way too aggressive, undisciplined & has bad technique.

IIRC, we were in zone coverage and Lattimore let his man go (assuming he'd have safety help) but he was late. Result ... TD. KV is in a contract year and I see no reason to throw the Wells Fargo truck at him.

He needs a good deal of study in the film room, re group and bring a better performance against New England.

ChrisXVI · 09-12-2017, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Same 'ol Saints, different day. No pass rush. Bad coverage. Giving up big plays. Poor clock management. Forcing the ball to one player (Kamara). Ridiculous sub patterns on offense. Ingram can run, catch and block. He needs to be on the field until he raises his hand. Too much zone. Attack on defense. Try to win instead of trying not to lose.

Originally Posted by K Major

Last rant on the disappointment vs Vikes ...

Kenny Vaccarro. I'm in the minority on this board but this guy has been disappointing for me. At times, he plays way too aggressive, undisciplined & has bad technique.

IIRC, we were in zone coverage and Lattimore let his man go (assuming he'd have safety help) but he was late. Result ... TD. KV is in a contract year and I see no reason to throw the Wells Fargo truck at him.

He needs a good deal of study in the film room, re group and bring a better performance against New England.

I'm with you in that minority. I think I said in the game day thread... What does Vacarro do well exactly? The occasional big hit? Half the time those get flagged anyway.

Mardigras9 · 09-12-2017, 02:16 PM

Coaching comes first to me because this team just didn't look ready to play on either side of the ball. Defense stumbled, Offense stumbled (which is kinda weird to say since they were in the red zone 5 times). It is a real head scratcher to me also the game plan concerning the running attack, I understand dedicating to the run, but after 3 quarters of the same result, time to switch gears a little.

09-12-2017, 11:59 AM	#61
Threaded by Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2 Rating: (0 votes - average) Somebody referenced the Jags earlier. They have the young & inexperienced D, too. They completely stomped a subpar Texans O (watched it), and someone coached them & told them not to use the crutch of inexperience. They were solid at D playcalling & personnel matchups where we blew chunks at them both. We have about the same experience & talent on D, but we let Bradford throw all over us with a patchwork O Line (seriously?) plus continually had Harris vs Diggs (seriously?). I'll give them a very thin pass, but if we're seeing this 3 out of the next 4, heads should roll come playoff time cause we'll be sitting at the house. The inexperience excuse is getting old, precisely why it is THE #1 worst excuse.
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09-12-2017, 01:01 PM	#62
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: What's most dissappointing after the loss to the Vikings? Defensive play calling. We were in zone long past the point when it was obviously not working. We needed to blitz more. The 4 man rush wasn't getting it done. Bradford was too comfortable in the pocket. Playing Harris over Moore was a mistake. Keeping Harris in the game was just stupid. Dennis Allen completely blew it. nola_swammi, CharityMike and MarchingOn like this.

09-12-2017, 01:09 PM	#63
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: What's most dissappointing after the loss to the Vikings? Originally Posted by K Major He did look tentative/hesitant but essentially PJ is a rookie. I'm more disappointed in Dennis Allen's game approach more than anything. Pre season we saw a lot of stunts, blitzing & guys moving like their head was on fire. Our secondary made Thielan (mostly 3rd down conversions) look like Odell on crossing routes. I mean he was WIDE open on several plays. Explain to me why you have Harris vs Diggs on those boundaries?? I just think we were out coached on defense. No way Harris should be on the field this Sunday. Time to re group (see sig/Roman Harper quote), film study and prepare to defeat NE in the dome on a short week. I made the exact comment to fam about not seeing any stunts. We didn't do it once from what I saw. We had better play calling in the preseason ffs. Real game comes and its as vanilla as can be?? WTF. Once you see they keep smoking us at ease, it's time to change. Bring pressure..why is this so hard to do. Obviously, they thought we could get through there O line with just the front four. But when it is not working, you have to adjust. Where was the adjustment?? DA did a pretty good job with that last year. This loss is just as much if not more on the coaching staff and there game plan. nola_swammi likes this.

09-12-2017, 01:11 PM	#64
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What's most dissappointing after the loss to the Vikings? Originally Posted by K Major I hate to beat a dead horse but we must find a way to create turnovers. Strips, punching the ball out, INT's & getting off the field on 3rd down. And I agree with the play of Anzalone, Lattimore & Tommy. He created separation from the defender on that bomb but Brees slightly over threw him, otherwise 6. Malcolm Butler can be had in the dome. Wasn't Tommylee held on that play, a flag thrown for PI? woody likes this.

09-12-2017, 01:33 PM	#65
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09-12-2017, 01:59 PM	#67
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,588 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What's most dissappointing after the loss to the Vikings? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Wasn't Tommylee held on that play, a flag thrown for PI? No, not on that particular play. His route was a stop and go, defender bit and TLL was off to the races. Perfect separation but Drew (he was under a lot of heat) over threw him because he had no time to set his feet. Side note - the only thing TLL lacks is size. Dude is a gamer.

09-12-2017, 02:10 PM	#68
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,588 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What's most dissappointing after the loss to the Vikings? Last rant on the disappointment vs Vikes ... Kenny Vaccarro. I'm in the minority on this board but this guy has been disappointing for me. At times, he plays way too aggressive, undisciplined & has bad technique. IIRC, we were in zone coverage and Lattimore let his man go (assuming he'd have safety help) but he was late. Result ... TD. KV is in a contract year and I see no reason to throw the Wells Fargo truck at him. He needs a good deal of study in the film room, re group and bring a better performance against New England. Barry from MS, ChrisXVI and halloween 65 like this.
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09-12-2017, 02:12 PM	#69
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: What's most dissappointing after the loss to the Vikings? Originally Posted by Cruize Same 'ol Saints, different day. No pass rush. Bad coverage. Giving up big plays. Poor clock management. Forcing the ball to one player (Kamara). Ridiculous sub patterns on offense. Ingram can run, catch and block. He needs to be on the field until he raises his hand. Too much zone. Attack on defense. Try to win instead of trying not to lose. Originally Posted by K Major Last rant on the disappointment vs Vikes ... Kenny Vaccarro. I'm in the minority on this board but this guy has been disappointing for me. At times, he plays way too aggressive, undisciplined & has bad technique. IIRC, we were in zone coverage and Lattimore let his man go (assuming he'd have safety help) but he was late. Result ... TD. KV is in a contract year and I see no reason to throw the Wells Fargo truck at him. He needs a good deal of study in the film room, re group and bring a better performance against New England. I'm with you in that minority. I think I said in the game day thread... What does Vacarro do well exactly? The occasional big hit? Half the time those get flagged anyway. Barry from MS, dizzle88 and halloween 65 like this.

09-12-2017, 02:16 PM	#70
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: What's most dissappointing after the loss to the Vikings? Coaching comes first to me because this team just didn't look ready to play on either side of the ball. Defense stumbled, Offense stumbled (which is kinda weird to say since they were in the red zone 5 times). It is a real head scratcher to me also the game plan concerning the running attack, I understand dedicating to the run, but after 3 quarters of the same result, time to switch gears a little. Barry from MS likes this.

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