Dolphins Willing to Trade Down

GoldenTomb · 04-06-2005, 02:56 PM

Howard and our pick for the number 2 isn\'t anywhere close to being fair.

baronm · 04-06-2005, 03:07 PM

nate (madison, wi)
every draft it seems someone falls farther than they should who might do that this draft, might derrick johnson drop to the lions.

NOLAN NAWROCKI
Johnson could easily fall to the Lions. He\'s an incredible athlete and covers like a defensive back, but when it comes to taking on blocks, he disappears, cringes and avoids contact. With some big bodies in front of him in Detroit, he would be an excellent fit, the same way Brian Urlacher was for Dick Jauron in Chicago. To answer your question, offensive players will dominate the top 10 and Antrel Rolle should be the top defender, so there\'s a good chance Johnson could be there at No. 10.

this is what scout\'s inc had to say about DJ....seems to be pretty consistent with everything else that\'s out there.

LordOfEntropy · 04-06-2005, 05:06 PM

If we could get him around #10, then he\'d be a good value that we could probably afford in my book. I\'d consider it.

But the original point of trading up to #2 to get him just doesn\'t seem viable. It\'s too high, more than we can afford (both in $$, cap hit, and lost picks).

We mustn\'t forget that LB is not our only glaring need.

LKelley67 · 04-06-2005, 05:19 PM

#16 and #40 gets up to #7 overall in value. i am a big dj fan but i do not think there is enough diff in him and burnett, blackstock, thurman, etc. to go to the 3rd rd for a next pick. i\'d rather a trade down and get 2 of those other lb\'s!

LordOfEntropy · 04-06-2005, 05:21 PM

I think I agree with you, LKel.

Danno · 04-06-2005, 05:23 PM

With so many teams wanting to trade down, and the draft being weak at the top it may be one of those years where teams have to settle for less if they want to trade down.

Last year, trading down would bring much more than it will this year. If we want DJ bad enough, and I think we do, this is the year to do it. Might be able to move up for only a 3rd rounder if so many teams keep desiring to trade down. The value charts aren\'t gonna fit well this year.

Loomis is allegedly a contract guru. In fact its the only reason he\'s here. If he can\'t work out a deal to fit DJ in, who can? What might we have to do? Cut somebody? Horn perhaps? Donte?

I can think of 5 or 6 guys named LB we can cut and not hurt us one bit.

LordOfEntropy · 04-06-2005, 05:36 PM

Add a couple of tight ends to that.

saintsfan1313 · 04-06-2005, 05:41 PM

Im sorry, but I see a huge difference from DJ to the others. DJ is a turnover machine, the guy practically patented a turnover manuever. I see DJ as a playmaker, the others I see as strong players. Now tell me if I\'m wrong here, but I think the reason our defense has been lacking is due to the fact we dont have a playmaker. Lets do a little breakdown shall we?

Derrick Johnson-Texas
458 tackles, 10 1/2 sacks, 5 fumble recoveries, 11 fumbles caused and 9 interceptions.Also had 1 blocked kick, and had 30 pass deflections. All around player

Shawn Merriman-Maryland
189 tackles, 22 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, 0 ints, mostly a rush-end or OLB

Darryl Blackstock-Virginia
237 tackles, 27 sacks, 4 recovered fumbles, 2 forced fumbles, 1 int and 8 deflected. Mostly a pass rusher.

Odell Thurman- ^%$ing Georgia
186 tackles, 9.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 3 recovered fumbles, 2 ints and 6 pass deflections. Smaller linebacker, 3 inches shorter than DJ

Now, i kno we all had the debate of how stats dont make a player, but cmon, he definatly has a wider variety of stats than the other LB\'s. Ints, passes deflected, that kind of stuff, he is an all over the field type of guy. Sideline to Sideline player, something that we need damnit. We dont want out LB\'s only rushing the QB, thats what our \"supposed\" awesome D-Line is supposed to do. Our LB\'s are supposed to 1. stop running backs 2. Deflect passes 3. Cover TE\'s and slants. then 4. Pass rush. Our D-Line will generate the pass rush, we just need someone to clog the middle once the RB runs past our line. Cmon guys, its a no-brainer

Danno · 04-06-2005, 05:49 PM

Im sorry, but I see a huge difference from DJ to the others. DJ is a turnover machine, the guy practically patented a turnover manuever. I see DJ as a playmaker, the others I see as strong players. Now tell me if I\'m wrong here, but I think the reason our defense has been lacking is due to the fact we dont have a playmaker. Lets do a little breakdown shall we?

Derrick Johnson-Texas
458 tackles, 10 1/2 sacks, 5 fumble recoveries, 11 fumbles caused and 9 interceptions.Also had 1 blocked kick, and had 30 pass deflections. All around player

Shawn Merriman-Maryland
189 tackles, 22 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, 0 ints, mostly a rush-end or OLB

Darryl Blackstock-Virginia
237 tackles, 27 sacks, 4 recovered fumbles, 2 forced fumbles, 1 int and 8 deflected. Mostly a pass rusher.

Odell Thurman- ^%$ing Georgia
186 tackles, 9.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 3 recovered fumbles, 2 ints and 6 pass deflections. Smaller linebacker, 3 inches shorter than DJ

Now, i kno we all had the debate of how stats dont make a player, but cmon, he definatly has a wider variety of stats than the other LB\'s. Ints, passes deflected, that kind of stuff, he is an all over the field type of guy. Sideline to Sideline player, something that we need damnit. We dont want out LB\'s only rushing the QB, thats what our \"supposed\" awesome D-Line is supposed to do. Our LB\'s are supposed to 1. stop running backs 2. Deflect passes 3. Cover TE\'s and slants. then 4. Pass rush. Our D-Line will generate the pass rush, we just need someone to clog the middle once the RB runs past our line. Cmon guys, its a no-brainer

If there was ONE player I wouldn\'t mind over-spending for, it\'s Derrick Johnson.
#2 overall may be too high for him salary wise. But when its all said and done, is there a monstrous difference in a #2 and a #6?.
I could go either way. Reach for this superstar or stay put and get a couple quality guys.

saintswhodi · 04-06-2005, 06:01 PM

I wouldn\'t wanna move to 2 for DJ, but if we could get him at 6-10, I am all for trading up for him. And if he is there for Dallas at 11, we HAVE to do something.

04-06-2005, 02:56 PM	#11
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Dolphins Willing to Trade Down Howard and our pick for the number 2 isn\'t anywhere close to being fair.
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04-06-2005, 03:07 PM	#12
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Dolphins Willing to Trade Down nate (madison, wi) every draft it seems someone falls farther than they should who might do that this draft, might derrick johnson drop to the lions. NOLAN NAWROCKI Johnson could easily fall to the Lions. He\'s an incredible athlete and covers like a defensive back, but when it comes to taking on blocks, he disappears, cringes and avoids contact. With some big bodies in front of him in Detroit, he would be an excellent fit, the same way Brian Urlacher was for Dick Jauron in Chicago. To answer your question, offensive players will dominate the top 10 and Antrel Rolle should be the top defender, so there\'s a good chance Johnson could be there at No. 10. this is what scout\'s inc had to say about DJ....seems to be pretty consistent with everything else that\'s out there.
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04-06-2005, 05:06 PM	#13
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Dolphins Willing to Trade Down If we could get him around #10, then he\'d be a good value that we could probably afford in my book. I\'d consider it. But the original point of trading up to #2 to get him just doesn\'t seem viable. It\'s too high, more than we can afford (both in $$, cap hit, and lost picks). We mustn\'t forget that LB is not our only glaring need.

04-06-2005, 05:19 PM	#14
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Dolphins Willing to Trade Down #16 and #40 gets up to #7 overall in value. i am a big dj fan but i do not think there is enough diff in him and burnett, blackstock, thurman, etc. to go to the 3rd rd for a next pick. i\'d rather a trade down and get 2 of those other lb\'s!

04-06-2005, 05:21 PM	#15
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Dolphins Willing to Trade Down I think I agree with you, LKel.

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04-06-2005, 05:23 PM	#16
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Dolphins Willing to Trade Down With so many teams wanting to trade down, and the draft being weak at the top it may be one of those years where teams have to settle for less if they want to trade down. Last year, trading down would bring much more than it will this year. If we want DJ bad enough, and I think we do, this is the year to do it. Might be able to move up for only a 3rd rounder if so many teams keep desiring to trade down. The value charts aren\'t gonna fit well this year. Loomis is allegedly a contract guru. In fact its the only reason he\'s here. If he can\'t work out a deal to fit DJ in, who can? What might we have to do? Cut somebody? Horn perhaps? Donte? I can think of 5 or 6 guys named LB we can cut and not hurt us one bit.

04-06-2005, 05:36 PM	#17
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Dolphins Willing to Trade Down Add a couple of tight ends to that.

04-06-2005, 05:41 PM	#18
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	Dolphins Willing to Trade Down Im sorry, but I see a huge difference from DJ to the others. DJ is a turnover machine, the guy practically patented a turnover manuever. I see DJ as a playmaker, the others I see as strong players. Now tell me if I\'m wrong here, but I think the reason our defense has been lacking is due to the fact we dont have a playmaker. Lets do a little breakdown shall we? Derrick Johnson-Texas 458 tackles, 10 1/2 sacks, 5 fumble recoveries, 11 fumbles caused and 9 interceptions.Also had 1 blocked kick, and had 30 pass deflections. All around player Shawn Merriman-Maryland 189 tackles, 22 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, 0 ints, mostly a rush-end or OLB Darryl Blackstock-Virginia 237 tackles, 27 sacks, 4 recovered fumbles, 2 forced fumbles, 1 int and 8 deflected. Mostly a pass rusher. Odell Thurman- ^%$ing Georgia 186 tackles, 9.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 3 recovered fumbles, 2 ints and 6 pass deflections. Smaller linebacker, 3 inches shorter than DJ Now, i kno we all had the debate of how stats dont make a player, but cmon, he definatly has a wider variety of stats than the other LB\'s. Ints, passes deflected, that kind of stuff, he is an all over the field type of guy. Sideline to Sideline player, something that we need damnit. We dont want out LB\'s only rushing the QB, thats what our \"supposed\" awesome D-Line is supposed to do. Our LB\'s are supposed to 1. stop running backs 2. Deflect passes 3. Cover TE\'s and slants. then 4. Pass rush. Our D-Line will generate the pass rush, we just need someone to clog the middle once the RB runs past our line. Cmon guys, its a no-brainer
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04-06-2005, 05:49 PM	#19
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Dolphins Willing to Trade Down Im sorry, but I see a huge difference from DJ to the others. DJ is a turnover machine, the guy practically patented a turnover manuever. I see DJ as a playmaker, the others I see as strong players. Now tell me if I\'m wrong here, but I think the reason our defense has been lacking is due to the fact we dont have a playmaker. Lets do a little breakdown shall we? Derrick Johnson-Texas 458 tackles, 10 1/2 sacks, 5 fumble recoveries, 11 fumbles caused and 9 interceptions.Also had 1 blocked kick, and had 30 pass deflections. All around player Shawn Merriman-Maryland 189 tackles, 22 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, 0 ints, mostly a rush-end or OLB Darryl Blackstock-Virginia 237 tackles, 27 sacks, 4 recovered fumbles, 2 forced fumbles, 1 int and 8 deflected. Mostly a pass rusher. Odell Thurman- ^%$ing Georgia 186 tackles, 9.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 3 recovered fumbles, 2 ints and 6 pass deflections. Smaller linebacker, 3 inches shorter than DJ Now, i kno we all had the debate of how stats dont make a player, but cmon, he definatly has a wider variety of stats than the other LB\'s. Ints, passes deflected, that kind of stuff, he is an all over the field type of guy. Sideline to Sideline player, something that we need damnit. We dont want out LB\'s only rushing the QB, thats what our \"supposed\" awesome D-Line is supposed to do. Our LB\'s are supposed to 1. stop running backs 2. Deflect passes 3. Cover TE\'s and slants. then 4. Pass rush. Our D-Line will generate the pass rush, we just need someone to clog the middle once the RB runs past our line. Cmon guys, its a no-brainer If there was ONE player I wouldn\'t mind over-spending for, it\'s Derrick Johnson. #2 overall may be too high for him salary wise. But when its all said and done, is there a monstrous difference in a #2 and a #6?. I could go either way. Reach for this superstar or stay put and get a couple quality guys.

04-06-2005, 06:01 PM	#20
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Dolphins Willing to Trade Down I wouldn\'t wanna move to 2 for DJ, but if we could get him at 6-10, I am all for trading up for him. And if he is there for Dallas at 11, we HAVE to do something.